[Censored] for Hire

#0 - April 3, 2007, 10:06 p.m.
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I have tried numerous times to report the activity of a person or persons on my particular server, and despite GM reassurances, nothing has been done about this for months now. Often as many as 10 times per night I recieve multiple line flood spam of advertisements from a level 1 character who wants to sell me gold.

Buying and selling gold last I checked was against the ToS. Spamming players and using multiple characters to circumvent ignore was against the ToS. And the fact that another entity somewhere out there is making money off Blizzard's game without paying any sort of royalties seems to me like it would be something Blizzard would want to put a stop to.

I began to report every incident of this spam to the GM's. Their response was always the same, nearly word for word. They always tell me they are doing something about it, but they refuse to say what that something is.

A few nights ago I recieved a message from one of these characters with a name like he had just hit a bunch of random keys on his keyboard. After submitting yet another ticket, a GM responded with the usual, "We'll look into it." Before he had even finished speaking to me the person flooded me with another character, his multiple line post breaking up the GM conversation.

The GM's still do nothing. What is it going to take for Blizzard to stop this in game spam?
#6 - April 3, 2007, 10:49 p.m.
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Cytheria, while I'm unable to delve into too many details about the way in which we combat unwanted spam from companies offering unapproved services via the in-game chat channels, I'll attempt to elaborate a bit in the hopes of quelling your concerns.

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Buying and selling gold last I checked was against the ToS. Spamming players and using multiple characters to circumvent ignore was against the ToS. And the fact that another entity somewhere out there is making money off Blizzard's game without paying any sort of royalties seems to me like it would be something Blizzard would want to put a stop to.

You are precisely correct. The actions taken toward an account spamming such advertisements are much more extreme than the typical penalty for spam in general (not relating to offering services expressly forbidden according to the Terms of Use). When this all started, we would go after these players as they were reported to us. Since then, it's been a constant struggle that may never fully end. As we put new measures into place to prevent one of the loopholes through which they work, they find another way to work. We have an entire department dedicated to making things as hard on theses companies as possible, all the while limiting the amount of spam and consequent frustration caused for the rest of the player base.

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I began to report every incident of this spam to the GM's. Their response was always the same, nearly word for word. They always tell me they are doing something about it, but they refuse to say what that something is.

This is to be expected due to our Privacy policy. We do not discuss the actions we take toward an account with anyone other than the account owner. With this being said, I reiterate the fact the actions taken toward an account found to be partaking in such an activity are extreme. It is unlikely that exact same account would be logging into the game again. There's no need for accounts made--not to play the game, but to spam the customer base with unapproved advertising--to remain active.

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The GM's still do nothing. What is it going to take for Blizzard to stop this in game spam?

Now that you know these companies cycle through accounts created simply for the purposes of getting as much spam out there before being banned, can you honesty say we do nothing? Hundreds of accounts are closed for spamming in this manner weekly, all the while our Battle.net Technical Research team has been devising numerous preventative measures to be implemented in the game to stop the spam before it starts. Do keep in mind, additionally, that these spammers will try as much as possible to reuse the same or similar character names so it appears as though we are doing little to stop them. So far, as I've stated, it's been a constant struggle where the spammers find ways around our measures of limitations until we block their next route as well.

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How exactly am I going to tell them which website or person is spamming me if they censor it?

Believe me, we know. We are watching these companies and the way in which they work extremely carefully. I cannot stress that enough.

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They care enough to censor players but not enough to do anything about the in game spam of the website?/quote]
Yes, we care enough to keep you from advertising on our Blizzard-run, public forum the name of a company built upon exploiting and profiting off of the World of Warcraft illegally at every opportunity. If you feel we're doing nothing about the spam in-game simply because you see it sometimes, unfortunately I can merely tell you that's an off-based and incorrect assumption.

[quote]I've been sending in tickets. For months. If this hacker is as quick as you seem to think he is (I'm going to assume you have zero understanding of how that could be done) then that would probably mean he's hacked every account on the server.

I believe the scale in which you're assuming such a fiasco is contained is actually much larger than you think. I severely doubt the same "hacker" has been spamming you for months. We're talking about a business that provides temporary careers for people who take advantage of our business. This is not on an individual level.

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As for downloading mods to record and report this? From where? Where do I submit those? Wait a sec, when did it become my job to police World of Warcraft?

It is certainly not your job to police our realms for these players. I can guarantee you that whether or not you report such a spammer, he/she will still be reported and penalized appropriately. Even if not, the actual battle to stop these spammers isn't exactly on an account-account level. Closing one account, as you've obviously witnessed, does little to fully combat this situation.

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Instead of forcing players to police this game for you and spending thousands of wasted dollars on hiring GM's to respond and do nothing, why doesn't Blizzard just sue the website? Or is that because whenever someone reports the website, they censor it to avoid accidental advertisement?

That's a very good point when talking about companies that run their businesses in the United States. Unfortunately, most of these companies are not based in the United States, nor are they subject to the laws which regulate such a malicious business practice.

I hope I've at least clarified the scale and nature of this issue, as well as reassured you of our committed stance to stop these spammers and companies to which they belong. I can fully understand the frustration you feel when receiving these messages all the time. From the perspective of one player logging in every day, it's completely understandable how you would assume we are not stopping these players. Just keep in mind this battle goes far beyond the character that just spammed, as well as the actions we take toward the single account to which it belongs.
#25 - April 6, 2007, 1:04 a.m.
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While I do enjoy some of the suggestions I've seen in this thread, I want to remind you all to post such information in our Suggestions forum as well for the proper consideration to be given. : )
#48 - April 9, 2007, 11:14 p.m.
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I don't understand why Blizzard is doing nothing about this, there information is public and they are easy to get in touch with by just calling there number or e-mailing the person that owns the company. I mean if one of us lowly normal people were to do something that upset blizz we would get a lawyer in our face faster then you can say law suit.

Here's there PUBLIC information if Blizzard wants it.

[This information does not need to be advertised on our forums.]

They are ruining thousands of peoples game play. I know we can submit a ticket but that takes time and some of us have little time to actually play, its getting horrible.

I would hate to assume anything...

But as a guess, did you not read my first reply to this thread before making your own?
#100 - April 23, 2007, 7:58 p.m.
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How long has that phrase been completely censored by Blizzard?

I'm not sure exactly how long the particular name to which you're referring has been filtered. We are in a constant process of filtering out particular key words in an attempt to make it increasingly more difficult for these people to advertise in-game. ; )
#111 - April 23, 2007, 9:54 p.m.
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Point 1 - This problem is way outa hand. i get 1000's of whispers a day from gold spammers. yes i have no life and play 12-18 hours a day lol.

point 2 - In game mail spam. we even get it on chars that havnt been logged in for weeks / months.

You're right. It is out of hand, which is why we have measures ready to be implemented in more than one upcoming patch.

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point 3 - Reporting does nothing to stop them and you know it. closing 1 account just means they make a new trial account and spam again.

I believe I did cover this in my initial post in this thread.

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point 5 - Trail accounts. You guys made it easy for them to spam us.

Again, changes are planned; and, unfortunately, will not occur overnight.

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point 6 - Whats going to happen to the name database when they have created all the names available?

The possible name combinations are quite vast. I have never heard of a possible issue with the database as a result of nearly every possible name being already chosen.

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point 7 - Im sure Gm's dont get spam in the game so why do we?

As a general rule, you cannot whisper or "/who" a Game Master in-game unless he/she allows for it.

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point 8 - Heaps of idea's on how to stop this have been posted here and in suggestions forum. Waste of time coz we never get a responce from a blue on one. I think its just a wasted forum.

Heaps of ideas have been considered as well. Once again, such changes will not be put into effect instantly. Additionally, we do not respond to threads on the Suggestions forum for legal reasons. This does not mean we do not use the Suggestions forum as a tool for garnering feedback from the player base. You can read about this in the first sticky on that forum.

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point 9 - Get the american goverment to put preasure on the countrys the spam is coming from. Saying they cant be touched is false and that comes from a Family trade relations laywer. It may be a joke to some but this is a crime.

It is not my place as a Game Master to comment on this. I'm sure a clear answer regarding US relations with foreign countries pertaining to internet laws is out there.

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All i want is a box to tick with a lvl i can entre in. so they cant whisper me if there not above that lvl.
My main is a lvl 70 and i dont want anybody under lvl 60 to whisper me. End of gold spam whispers.

This is better placed on our Suggestions forum.

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lastly funny how fast they lock down new threads created by paying customers but cant stop the gold spam.

I see absolutely no correlation between the forum moderation techniques used on the Customer Service forum, and the measures put into place by our Hacks team to limit advertising spam.

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Also it might help if this thread was stickyed that way ppl could see it at top and post in it instead of making new threads.

All of our more pertinent posts (such as this one) can be found in our "Information Haven" sticky: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=86840066&sid=1

We find all of the information there to be very important; although, we do not necessarily need all of the information found there in separate stickies. At least not if we wanted new topics to show up on the first page. ; )
#137 - April 27, 2007, 12:40 a.m.
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I'm not trying to play "damage control," Mulkerrin. I'm looking to add perspective to the situation. You suggest limitations which clearly point to a lack of perspective as to the consequences of said limitations, yet wish for instant gratification.

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I don't know how many times you've referred to these idiots as "Accounts". They're not accounts.
They're not even players. Garbage names like "fffdbbdbd" shouldn't even be allowed to be created
in the first place. They should be treated like the scam artists that they are, not like valued
paying customers. I feel almost offended that you'd even be so bold as to attempt to equate
us with these vile sewer rats by saying "those accounts".

You don't need to bring melodrama into this. They're accounts, Mulkerrin... I'm going by the definition of a created World of Warcraft account, not by whatever arbitrary term would make you feel better about this.

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Now, answer me this. I remember when the player base was furious and complaining about
the chinese gold farmers, do you remember what Blizzard's response was? - They were "proud to
announce that they had opened World of Warcraft in China"

You're insinuating a completely unfounded argument, if I understand what you're driving at; which, I believe is to say that we decided to tackle gold farming by simply including them into our target market? Consider that opening realms in China in no direct way correlates to more farming of American realms. I imagine most people would wager the reason behind launching in China being that it's one of the biggest video game markets in the world.

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Stop trying to convince us you're working hard at it and just GET RID OF IT!

Since I'm a forum poster, I would say it's more my job to notify (and/or convince) you that we're working hard on it. It is another department's job to actually work on it. Whether or not you consider my posts rhetorical statements of damage control the battle will wage on. Many people within our company have spent a great deal of time recently looking into all the possible preventative measures that can be put into place with as little negative impact on the rest of the player base as possible. Most of these ideas spawned internally and will be revealed when they are ready for implementation.

I have explained in this thread multiple times now that many great measures will be put into place to further combat this situation. So, if you want to continue to make posts that merely seem to iterate: "I don't care, fix it now," I will continue to play damage control.
#143 - April 27, 2007, 1:16 a.m.
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Mulkerrin, you do raise many good points. Severely limiting and battling gold advertisements in-game is a priority right now. While you may feel that there's been too much delay in our response, I can merely assure you that this does not equate to a lack of any action.

I am sorry for not reviewing your posts in the Suggestions forum. I do not have jurisdiction over that forum; however, it is not a bad idea to research the cause of your motivation in this thread. I can say that you have made some valid suggestions, although I will, unfortunately, be unable to discuss our plans for the future based on the suggestions you've provided.

Lastly, I can understand your disgust. I hear it from within the company as well. Our developers are gamers too, and the amount of spam is disheartening, frustrating, and against the spirit of the game as far as we're all concerned. We only ask that you bear with us while we test the best methods for combating the situation.
#147 - April 27, 2007, 2:05 a.m.
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so, you're saying that something eventually will be done? What we want to know is what is being done NOW rather than a month from now.

We are testing and further discussing numerous measures to limit the ability for these companies to continually spam players. We're not prepared to discuss many of the features we're looking to implement. This is partially due to the fact that we'd prefer not to give these companies a head start at attempting to work around new limitations by any means possible.
#151 - April 27, 2007, 2:30 a.m.
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I will be here patiently awaiting your return, Mulkerrin. Just be sure to come back and offer positive feedback as well if you are not given a reason to throw on the Epic Anger Armor. ; )