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Anyone working at Blizzard... (arena bans)

#0 - Aug. 8, 2008, 4:50 a.m.

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Has anyone working at Blizzard ever been remotely close to the high ratings in arena? Sorry to say, but I don't think any one of you has a clue. I mean, you MUST know that you're doing something horribly wrong when there have been hundreds of your dedicated arena players complaining over the recent arena bans for arranged matches.

Honestly, I have yet to see one high rated person say that they agree with the banning for arranged matches. I'd say 75% of the time, they aren't even scheduled arranged matches either -- it's just how your queue system works.

2300 will match up against 2250 before it matches up against 2100, resulting in a series of matches until one team stops queueing. But now I see this is being banned for, so most of your high rated players just stop queueing once they face a team maybe 2-3 times, which even then, is taking a risk.

I'm not going to email wowaccountadmin or anything, because I very highly doubt that the email will be taken seriously (same with this post).

I'm just going to vent out my frustration, which is what I just did. And now I feel better. Except that like 10 of my friends that aren't really my friends but I know them in the e-world just got banned recently, and EVERY SINGLE ARENA PLAYER OUT THERE THAT KEEPS TRACK OF RESPECTED PVPERS knows that they're legit.

Use your heads please. Realize that not one of your high rated customers agrees with what you're doing. It completely ruins high rated competition, it completely ruins what your queue system is designed to do in the first place, and it completely ruins the fun.

#11 - Aug. 8, 2008, 4:58 a.m.

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Has anyone working at Blizzard ever been remotely close to the high ratings in arena?

Yes.

And you're welcome to post any ideas or concerns you have regarding the matter on our Suggestions forum. While I'd have normally just moved the post there to begin with, I wanted to comment on something:

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Except that like 10 of my friends that aren't really my friends but I know them in the e-world just got banned recently, and EVERY SINGLE ARENA PLAYER OUT THERE THAT KEEPS TRACK OF RESPECTED PVPERS knows that they're legit.

I think that you mean that they assume that they're participating in a legitimate fashion, Noxn. Unfortunately, even friends have been known to lie to their friends just to make it seem like what they were doing wasn't inappropriate. There have been a number of cases which have been brought to our attention here where the friend claimed that their friends didn't wintrade or do anything wrong. Each and every time I've looked into such a matter, it's been pretty blatant.

If actions were taken, then it would be likely that there was something that they were doing that was wholly inappropriate. Anyone that is actioned for wintrading is welcome to dispute the actions taken by e-mailing [email protected].

#22 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:04 a.m.

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They HAVE been participating in a legitimate fashion. This is what I mean by people at Blizzard haven't been high rated.

I guess that I misinterpreted my own experiences, my apologies.

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All I'm gonna say, since you obviously don't understand.

I think you mean to say that I don't represent your point of view and therefore do not understand where you are coming from because I do not support your claim.

#44 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:15 a.m.

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I'm glad that you browse third-party websites to get your information regarding the account actions that we've taken, Noxn.

#47 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:17 a.m.

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I'm glad the only time you broke 1400 was when you made your charter.

Well, then there was also the other time when I went under 1400. I broke it then; depending on what direction you're going.

#59 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:22 a.m.

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what if i can't, what if i'm too addicted to this thread

*hands you nicothread gum*

#76 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:33 a.m.

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GMs are pretty credible, but we don't know if Reythur has access to all that info, as he's just a Blizzard Poster.

I'm actually a Game Master who just happens to be assigned to the Customer Service forum. ^_^

#97 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:41 a.m.

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First, sorry Rey..... =\

No worries. ^_^

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Second, they won't give you the evidence for the simple reason that making such knowledge public would show the wintrading community what is tipping Blizzard off. They would then look for other ways to pull their nefarious schemes.

This.

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Blatant, like how good players in FPS games get banned from servers for "Blatantly cheating." It's great to see blatant egotism in those with power transcends all gaming genres and punishes those who are successful.

Except for the fact that we look at our logs and other various information we have available prior to taking actions against someone. I just love conjecture!

#111 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:50 a.m.

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It's not "the rules" that are stupid. It's the interpretation of the rules by certain employees that's stupid.

I think you mean the interpretation of the rules by certain members of the community isn't wholly correct.

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Honestly, Blizzard's excuses for banning legitimate players based on "Queue system exploitation," is totally idiotic. It's just a bad excuse for something they know is morally wrong, but don't want to admit.

What?

#118 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:54 a.m.

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Why is it okay to assume that every word out of the banned players' mouths is real, but the investigations of Blizzard are not?

Because we're "The Man".

#124 - Aug. 8, 2008, 5:57 a.m.

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Reythur, is this a nice break from the normal problems you find in the forums? I don't read these often, but I bet you don't get threads like these every 20 minutes!

We actually get quite a few concerns such as this; we're here to address issues such as this where possible. There are some regrettable situations which are out of our control, however.

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but do you happen to work in Account Administration?

I already said I'm a Game Master. >.<

#139 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:05 a.m.

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Blizzard doesn't take the suggestions forums seriously, sorry to say.

According to whom exactly?

Do Devs really read the forums?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286660338&sid=1&pageNo=4#74

#153 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:09 a.m.

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While they may be coming off rather abrasive, I find it disheartening that the one Blizzard representative here can only make jokes instead of taking anything they say and thinking about it for a while.

If you have an issue with anything I've said, please feel free to send an e-mail to [email protected].

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Why not listen to your top arena players? Why not at least take into consideration what they're saying? Just because they may not be on the right forum to do it? The location of the message shouldn't hinder the effect it has.

I can assure you that we do; unfortunately, folks like to bark up the wrong tree. The cat is in the other tree over on our Suggestions forum. I've already mentioned this, as have several others in this thread.

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And to note, the issue at the heart of this is not that your investigations are wrong, not that anyone got banned, but that the rules currently in place are detrimental to both their enjoyment of the game and the arena system itself.

Please feel free to refer to our Suggestions forum if you feel our policies should be altered.

#163 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:14 a.m.

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Its obvious the blizzard employees who ban these players are just ignorant to what its like at that high rating.

Ah. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that our internal policies do not allow for checks and balances and anyone can go around and willy nilly ban someone just for giggles.

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Instead of playing the top teams to knock them out of the top spot, you can now just send them a whisper in game asking if they are queuing and blizzard will take care of the rest!

I'm going to clear something up right now.

We have multiple methods of addressing and discerning whether or not someone was wintrading; once these various requirements for us to label something as wintrading, the appropriate actions are taken. From this point, anyone is welcome to dispute the actions that have been taken by contacting our Account Administration department. The matter is reviewed in full once again and the actions taken are either overturned or upheld.

#177 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:20 a.m.

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^ Merciless Gladiators banned for "win trading". Hint: They don't gain anything from "win trading".

Lack of possible gain does not negate the plausibility of wrongdoing.

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That being said, I'd like to ask. Care to retract your statement, bro?

Nope.

#198 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:27 a.m.

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Paranoia isn't healthy.

True, but the hat that comes with it is oh so fashionable!

#208 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:31 a.m.

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Folks, I don't mind leaving the thread open, but the personal attacks stop now.

#214 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:34 a.m.

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Obviously no one in a position to make important decisions, because if they were, then these bans WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

Supposition and Conjecture must be your best friends.

#236 - Aug. 8, 2008, 6:42 a.m.

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Well, it seems that my request for stopping the personal attacks was ignored.

Have a wonderful evening ladies and gents.