Question: "X of the Scourge" Naxx enchants

#0 - July 21, 2008, 7:26 a.m.

Sapphirion in Naxxramas drops items that can enchant shoulder items for amounts comparable to the Scryers/Aldor exalted enchants. These items are called Resilience of the Scourge, Power of the Scourge, Fortitude of the Scourge, and Might of the Scourge.

They are unique of all the shoulder enchant items in the game in that the item the are used on does not soulbind to the user. In other words, they act like Spellthread or Leg Armors, not like normal shoulder enchants.

This allows them to be used for twinking purposes. However, there has been some mix ups between these and the aldor/scryers enchants, which have been used for twinking through various latency-related exploits in the past (all of which have been fixed in patches now).

I have a question, and a request on behalf of the twink community:

Question: Are these legal to use on any character? I understand the reasons for why enchants that were obtained through exploits are not allowed, mainly because they are not allowed by game mechanics. The enchants obtained in Naxxramas however do allow use on lower level characters through standard game mechanics.

Most GMs have confirmed this view, with one known exception to date <Edited out screenshots to protect the "innocent">. To summarize, one GM removed the enchants from a lvl 19 twink's shoulders, claiming "a level 19 would OWN with that enchant".

I don't much care about the way the GM conducted himself in this encounter. I'm more worried about the waste of the time and effort to obtain an enchant that for all intents and purposes is "legal", and then having that deleted.

Which brings us to my request: I would request that one of two things be done. Either modify the functionality of the Naxxramas shoulder enchants to soulbind an item on enchant. Or, please educate GMs in the differences between exploits and Naxx enchants, and keep them from destroying items that (regardless of their "legality") took many hours to obtain. The average going price for these is 2000 gold, or at least winning a roll after killing Sapphirion, a difficult thing to do considering how few people are interested in running Naxx at the moment.

I don't know the practicality of getting information to all GMs out there, but any way of countering the confusion out there would help. Also, apologies if this isn't quite the right forum to inquire about this problem, but I figured GM knowledge and activities come under the heading "customer service". ;)

Vrakthris

#6 - July 21, 2008, 8:11 p.m.

Q u o t e:
I don't know the practicality of getting information to all GMs out there, but any way of countering the confusion out there would help. Also, apologies if this isn't quite the right forum to inquire about this problem, but I figured GM knowledge and activities come under the heading "customer service". ;)

Although this game is massive and no one person can possibly know all aspects of it; we generally have guidelines that we follow. Errors do occur from time to time though, especially when there is a misunderstanding, this item was mistakenly removed. I don't know if you actually know this person or are just going off information gathered off a post somewhere else. If you do know the person you may want to inquire about what was restored less than 2 days later. :)

The enchantment is currently permitted.

Orlyia

#11 - July 21, 2008, 8:52 p.m.

Q u o t e:
To try to stay on the topic of Naxx enchants getting removed by GMs. i have alittle complaint/story and was wondering if it is at all possible to fix.

My friend mailed a lvl 29 7/7 leather shoulders to a character he thought was mine with Might of the Scourge attached to it. In fact he had misspelled my characters name and put in a ticket to fix this issue. So a GM obliged and changed the mail recipient to the intended character; me.

So we both thought the problem was fixed. But when i checked my mailbox, i was indeed suprised. It was the 7/7 shoulders, but the Naxx enchant was gone.

I have put in tickets to GMs, but after hours of wait i have given up and when i did get a response it said it was impossible to fix.

Is this true?

Zakk, do you know the name of the GM originally?

I am having a bit of an issue with this, first, we do NOT normally return mail like that - only under the rarest of circumstances - and I see no notes about this.

Next, although I see you put in a petition about this on 7/10, it was apparently closed. This would have been the email where you are asking that they be fetched from the mail system.

I see 5 more petitions between 7/11 and 7/14, but all deal with the enchantment itself. No where do I see any notes about this being tampered with, or indeed, even an intervention in the mail system.

If enchantments, gems (any player modification) is gone from an item we cannot intervene and replace it. While such treatments normally do stay with an item - there are circumstances where they might not. Unfortunately we cannot replace those.

If you remember the GM name that you think sent this back to you, I'd be very interested into looking into this further.

Orlyia

#16 - July 21, 2008, 9 a.m.

Well, perhaps I can find something from that direction.

Your friends character name that sent the mail?

If you don't feel comfortable with that in public, post - then quickly edit it out, I can still see it.

Orlyia

#20 - July 21, 2008, 9:04 a.m.

Zak,

I do not wish to be the source of discord between you and your friend, however....at least on THAT account, your friend hasn't had a petition in our system since January of 2008. Perhaps he sent it from another?

Orlyia

#25 - July 21, 2008, 9:24 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Ok ive been told that those are his only 2 70s so they are the only ones who could have done the mailing.

And u have no record of either of those characters putting in a petition? Just want a double check before i head off to bed ;)

Not seeing anything about it connected with the account those characters are on - from your server - no.

I am very sorry.

Orlyia

#27 - July 21, 2008, 9:31 a.m.

Best of luck to you Zak.

This may simply be a large misunderstanding, perhaps he mailed from another account?

Orlyia

#29 - July 21, 2008, 2:05 p.m.

Q u o t e:
It is very possible. If i find out some more, i will bring it back up. I will talk to him about it tomorrow :)

Or rather, later today :P

I've tried to research this a bit more Zak.

If the item in question was the Cutthroat's Mantle of the Monkey - it does not look like this was ever modified by enchantment, patch, etc.

Orlyia

#34 - July 22, 2008, 9:09 a.m.

Q u o t e:
That was indeed the item. Thanks so much for the help. I am talking to Merioch right now about it.

He still says it was Danyres who opened the ticket, but still trying to get some more info from him. Thanks for all your help and research :)

/bump

Edit: Is there anyway to tell if he actually used the Might of the Scourge trinket? This is purely curiosity. I have no need to know who he used it on ect ect, just wondering if its possible to see if its been used or misplaced.

An ingame GM might be able to help him track that down, but he'd need to ask, and have some timeframes about when he thinks he used it - the more narrow the search parameters the better.