Disband guild

#0 - July 2, 2008, 4:38 a.m.
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This guild on monoroth has 45 hours to post an apology to me on the monoroth realm forum. for grievnces pertaining to harrassment (it should be noted that this is not the first offence by the guild)

if they do not, i will spell out the case for the disbandment of the guild.

it should be noted that i have evidence and witnesses to give testimony for the disbandment of the guild b/c of harassment.

by posting this now, i fullfill my legal requirment of disclosement of intent.

blizzard should be prepared to arbitrate this issue between myself and the offending party (guild) after 60 hours. that is the noted 45 hours, plus 15 preparment hours.

(it should be noted that and comments will be (and have been) SS'd and used in the proceedings.)
#31 - July 2, 2008, 5:21 a.m.
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Sorry, I had to lock the thread to remove all the guild references. :)

I believe you are under a misconception as to how our system works.

If you are harassed, in that someone has violated our Terms of Use, you can report them to us and our Game Masters will investigate the issue and take the appropriate actions in accordance to our policies.

The only arbitration you have the right to is between Blizzard and yourself, not regarding other players; section 16 of our Terms of Use.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

We do not disband guilds at the behest of anyone. Only if we determine it is warranted will any action be taken and we will decide the penalty.

Perhaps you do deserve an apology, perhaps you don't; I'm afraid it doesn't work that way though if someone decides to apologize is completely up to them. We take actions in accordance to our policies and public apology is not one of them.

Any actions that we taken regarding harassment reports are kept strictly confidential.





#34 - July 2, 2008, 5:34 a.m.
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No worries, the guild name was worse than the initials but I decided to get rid of it all. Including some instigators. :D
#41 - July 2, 2008, 5:53 a.m.
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I didn't post the guild name, but you edited me :(


It was in the title. :)
#70 - July 2, 2008, 8:10 p.m.
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dear sir or madam:

u have stated....

"we do not disband guilds at the behest of anyone."

after a thourough exaimination of the so-called terms of agreement. i could not find that quote in there.

u have also stated,

"We take actions in accordance to our policies and public apology is not one of them."

i haved looked through the so-called terms of agreement. and again i could not find were it says "agology is not one of them."

i am very surprised by these discreptenties. the representatives that i usually deal with at legal departments have never stated such things.

it should also be noted, that we have to follow procedure. therefore, the rulings should not be made prior to agruements being presented. im sure you agree.

but, with respect to procedure, the guild in question still has approximately 24hours to agree to the conditions that i stipulated. so lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

secondly, i am not under a misconception as to how the system works. i have spent many hours in the system filing paperwork with the courts and time in the court room.

the guild in question has violated the law. keep in mind, this is a civil action. and the rulings will be based on a preponderance of the evidence. i am confintant that i will prevale.

reguards,

tflanny


Vrak was a lot more polite than I am going to be.

We make the rules here. Period. This is not a court of law, nor bears any resemblance to one.

Your incorrect assumptions about these processes, unfortunately, carry no weight whatsoever.

In fact, since you're fond of legal terminology, I'll quote the portions of the Terms of Use that explain this:

We own the program.

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Section 2.
All rights and title in and to the Program and the Service (including without limitation any user accounts, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, "applets" incorporated into the Program, transcripts of the chat rooms, character profile information, recordings of games played on the Program, and the Program client and server software) are owned by Blizzard or its licensors. The Program and the Service are protected by United States and international laws. The Program and the Service may contain certain licensed materials, and Blizzard's licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.


We own your account.

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Section 7.
Blizzard’s Absolute Right to Suspend, Terminate and/or Delete the Account.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE THE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA.

Section 5, part 8.
Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items.
Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of Accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Program. You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any virtual property transfers executed outside of the Game or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything related to the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell items for "real" money or otherwise exchange items for value outside of the Game.


We make the rules.

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Section 5.
Rules of Conduct.
As with all things, your use of the Program is governed by certain rules of conduct. These rules of conduct (the "Rules of Conduct"), maintained and enforced exclusively by Blizzard, must be adhered to by all users of the Service. It is your responsibility to know, understand and abide by these Rules of Conduct. The following rules are not meant to be exhaustive, and Blizzard reserves the right to determine which conduct it considers to be outside the spirit of the Game and to take such disciplinary measures as it sees fit up to and including termination and deletion of the Account. Blizzard reserves the right to modify these Rules of Conduct at any time.


Now that this has been established, please use the procedures we've put into place to address this situation. While the protection of our players from harassment (especially targeted or ongoing harassment) is extremely important to us, pseudo-legal threat posts demanding action in a fashion that we will not comply with are not a good way to get on my good side.

Please do not come back to this forum with a post continuing in this vein. Please consider this my warning to you on the subject. I will and do consider it trolling.

Once again, if you feel that you've been harassed by another player though, that is a serious matter. I only ask that you deal with it in an appropriate fashion by reporting the matter either in-game via petition, or by emailing wowgm@blizzard.com with all the appropriate information (including the names of individual offending characters, the circumstances, the approximate time of the offense, etc). Please also use the /ignore feature, and should a player you've /ignored continue to contact you via alternate characters, let us know.
#79 - July 2, 2008, 8:18 p.m.
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<Let's not advertise for him, hrm?>

lol ban him... hes trying to sell the character...


You may feel free to forward that link to wowaccountadmin@blizzard.com.

I'm sure they'll find the information interesting.
#92 - July 2, 2008, 8:38 p.m.
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what happens when a guild attacks me in a manner that is not only against the terms of agreement, but also against the law?


I'm a "Sir", you're stuck with me, and I'm not angry =).

I clearly got my point across though, which was the point of the post. Now we can get to dealing with this situation appropriately. I am only sorry that I needed to be so firm to get my point across.

If you feel that you are in physical danger, I encourage you to contact your local authorities, while at the same time reporting the situation in-game. Should your local law enforcement agency request information pertaining the situation, we will happily comply in whatever fashion we are able.

I will send an email to your registered email address with contains some of the pertinent information.
#104 - July 2, 2008, 8:55 p.m.
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that is okay.



i am glad to hear that you have stated this, and that it is the position of blizzard. i was sure that it was

(despite wat all of these other non-blue posters have been attacking me with.)

i will be in contact with my local police department. (i have had to call them with reguard to the guild in question before.)

on a side note.

I would like to address these non-blue posters attacking me and my speaking.

i would like to make a few thoughts on this business about attacking me about my english.

i do not agree with this type of stuff you are all trying to say to me, i think it is xenophobic. u are all attacking me b/c of my grammer saying things like:

"ENGLSIH, LEARN THE LANGUAGE, ENLGISH FIRST, NATIONALIZE THE LANGAUGE MAKE EVERYONE SPEAK ENGLISH!!!"

its just not write.


I understand your concerns, particularly if English is not your primary language. While none of the posters in this thread were overtly nationalistic as far as I could read into their posts, it is common forum etiquette to attempt to format one's posts in as clear a fashion as possible. Still, I applaud you for your advanced knowledge of a second language.

On second review, I do not believe that anyone was intentionally attacking you based on xenophobia, but rather, because they disagreed with your ideas. Regardless, I strongly feel that this thread can attain a tone of cooperation and civility if everyone sets their mind to it. Or simply refrains from posting should that prove impossible.

The email that I promised in a prior post is on its way to your registered email address as we speak.
#107 - July 2, 2008, 8:57 p.m.
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I strongly feel that this thread can attain a tone of cooperation and civility if everyone sets their mind to it.

Or simply refrains from posting should that prove impossible.

Re-iterated for clarity.
#110 - July 2, 2008, 9:20 p.m.
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Given that the original poster has all the information he or she needs to address this matter properly moving forward, I am going to be locking this thread now.