Hunter pets and stealth; Real answer needed!

#0 - Jan. 1, 2007, 1:27 a.m.

Alright alright, before you move this to the Rogue/bug forum hear me out.

When I first witnessed firsthand the huntes-pet-still-comming-at-you-even-though-you-stealthed thing, i thought it was a bug, that even though a hunter had sent his pet at me, and i stealthed, it would still come after me, no matter how far away I was.

Now then... over the past few weeks, I had 2 conversations with GMs. As soon as the problem was taken care of (Those darn AFK botters in AV) they alsways add as an afterthought "Is there anything else we can help you with?"

It was during this, that i politely asked my question; Is the hunter's pet hitting people out of stealth a bug?

Now, this is where I got confused.

The first GM informed me that, unfortunatly for us both (He sympathised saying he too got his rogue clawed out of stealth by a kitty) that it was... Working As Intended!

Of course i was crestfallen at the news... but I wasnt satisfied! After refering me to the suggestion forums, I said goodbye and thought.

About a week later, when I had finished talking about the main problem with a GM, I asked the same question, worded the same.

"Dont worry, this is a known bug and we're working on it, it should be fixed in an upcomming patch."

And thus the real question began... I rifled through old rogue forum posts on this issue, but none seem to have any official blizzard comment on it. So I ask you, kindly....

Is hunters pets hitting rogues out of stealth after stealthing working as intended?

Pavonum

#1 - Jan. 1, 2007, 1:44 a.m.

I'd like to apologise for any confusion you may have been caused by what appear to be conflicting responses, Pakk; it's possible that some misinterpretation arose during your most recent conversation with a Game Master. As a matter of confirmation, it is indeed intended for pets to pursue a target even if it uses Stealth -- unlike Vanish, Stealth is not meant to be used as a combat escape mechanism, so it does not deter a pet that has already been sicced. I hope that has been of some clarification, but I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have. :)

[Edited for clarity. It occurs to me that some confusion arose from the phrase "in-combat," when merely "combat" was intended. Thus, Stealth is not meant to be used as a means of escaping combat. My apologies -- perhaps some misinterpretation could have been avoided.]

Pavonum

#3 - Jan. 1, 2007, 1:54 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Thats considered an "In-combat escape mechanism?

No, as I said, it's not considered a combat escape mechanism; that's why Stealth doesn't cause the pet to lose its target.

Q u o t e:
And furthermore... may I ask why it is considered an "In-combat" excape? After all, TO sealth you must be put out of combat, a good six seconds of no PvP. It would seem that is hardly an "Excape" and more of a tatical retreat.

Technically speaking, an attack has already been initiated by the hunter at that point, and it is only a matter of delay before it (i.e. the pet) arrives.

[Also edited for clarity. See above.]

Pavonum

#6 - Jan. 1, 2007, 2:09 a.m.

Q u o t e:
I think it's silly that a hunter can sick his pet on you from accross a battleground, and you stealthing is considered and "escape mechanism".

You're welcome to post on our Suggestions Forum if you would like our Development Team to take your thoughts into consideration. :)

Pavonum

#10 - Jan. 1, 2007, 2:32 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Why was this implemented in the last patch then, and not before it?

This has been the case for some time, to my knowledge; I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Q u o t e:
Come on Pavo.. that was a low shot, were all very well aware that no blue has looked, let alone taken seriously, that wasteland of ideas since release :(

Contrary to popular belief, the threads in that forum are perused by our developers, although legal restrictions prevent "Blue" responses. :)

Pavonum

#16 - Jan. 1, 2007, 3:53 a.m.

Q u o t e:
We can deal with a 5 second OOC, but please ask the developers to consider tweaking the mechanics of stealth and vanish.

That's not my place, I'm afraid; the Community Managers, not Game Masters, liaise between players and developers. That's why I've directed players to post in our Suggestions Forum -- which is perused by our Community and Development teams -- if that is their goal. Cheers. :)

Pavonum

#22 - Jan. 1, 2007, 7:28 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Delete my post for a reason?

Unconstructive, monosyllabic posts are generally considered to be "trolling," Unkown. I didn't feel you were contributing much to the discussion.

Q u o t e:
Your excuse is pathetic as to why pets bring us out of stealth.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but this forum is not the proper avenue through which it should be expressed. :)

Pavonum

#24 - Jan. 1, 2007, 7:34 a.m.

Q u o t e:
If you dont want me commenting on your customer service in this very forum, where do you wish me to direct them?

This is not, despite your beliefs to the contrary, a customer service issue; your dispute is not with me but with the current functionality of the spell in regards to pets, which is not something over which the Game Master Department has any sway. If you wish to express your dissatisfaction with the mechanic, feel free to use our Suggestions Forum as a means of bringing it to the attention of our Development Team. Best of luck. :)

Pavonum

#26 - Jan. 1, 2007, 7:43 a.m.

Q u o t e:
So what youre saying is we can not post our dissatisfaction with your customer service at all?

I am curious to learn what, exactly, you found dissatisfying about my customer service; a question was raised, I answered it. :)

Pavonum

#30 - Jan. 1, 2007, 8:07 p.m.

Q u o t e:
As i said, your customer service is ridiculous and pathetic.

It's evident, from your lengthy dissection of my responses, that your discontent is still centred around the actual functionality here, over which I again have no control; I'm sorry that you disagree with our developers in this regard, but there is little to be gained from arguing with me about it.

As for your comments regarding the service I have provided, please feel free to e-mail [email protected] with more details. :)

Pavonum

#34 - Jan. 1, 2007, 8:21 p.m.

Q u o t e:
The fact that you state one thing, then back track and say something else in the same exact thread is poor customer service.

I never backtracked; you apparently misunderstood me. I said that Stealth is not meant to be used as a combat escape mechanism, then reaffirmed that fact. Would you care to point out where I actually contradicted myself, Unkown, or are you just making baseless claims?

Q u o t e:
The fact that you tell us to post in a forum that is ignored is poor customer service.

That forum is not ignored, although you are welcome to continue thinking so if it comforts you.

Q u o t e:
The fact that you ignore certain posts entirely is poor customer service.

It is not my job to respond to every post in a thread; of the three you mentioned, two were regarding the very functionality under discussion, which I had already addressed at length earlier in the topic. The third refers to a phenomenon that is better suited for the Bug Report Forum, where it may be quantified and investigated by Quality Assurance. These posts were not "ignored," so much as they were secondary to the matter at hand.

[And edited for clarity once more, changing "in-combat" to "combat" to make the actual intention clear.]

Pavonum

#37 - Jan. 1, 2007, 8:33 p.m.

Q u o t e:
I don't like the heavy handedness of GMs locking tickets, but this one deserves it.

Agreed; there's nothing more that can be accomplished from continuing this discussion.