#0 - Dec. 19, 2006, 10:22 p.m.
Or is the 30% taken at calculation only from HKs?
I need an answer. : /
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You mentioned on another thread that the 30% reduction is done with nightly calculations.
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Did I?
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The way it is currently working is this.
ANY honor you see in your screen, be it the combat log, the honor tab, or the battle ground results window has all ready had the 30% reduction in gains calculated into it. The ONLY thing you CAN'T see while you're playing is reduction in honor from diminishing returns. This means that it is possible for some people to get exactly what their estimate honor is on the next day. And other people will get MUCH less.
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I think it's cute people confuse you!
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Hey cutey,
Why is the old honor systems rank used to determine my value in pvp?
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How come we went from about 240 bonus honor for AB battleground down to about 100 now? Seems like more than 30%.
In addition AV Bonus honor is significantly lower now, more than 30%.
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Its when you enter a BG Drysc. My rank when 2.0 hit was like 3.... So now when Im the leader of a group in BGs... and ANYONE who had a higher rank than 3 when 2.0 hit joins the match.. they take leadership away from me automaticaly.
Its kind of a lingering pointless echo of the old system...... it need to get teh boot and also it needs a 50 dkp minus for being stupid.
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/grunt.
Personally, I think that it should default to whoever's first in, then that person can assign it whereever. It's for certain that not all rank 14s are remarkably good at leading.
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I have screen shots that I took from last week of wins, and in AB I was getting 289 Honor, and after the "nerf" I am only getting 120. That is the calculation at the end of the game
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In AV I was getting around 500 - 600 honor for wins with all towers capped and Galv killed. Now I am only getting max 325
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If you would like the screen shots, I can provide them, but that seems rediculous that I would have to prove that you reduced the honor 50%, I think we all know that the reduction was more then 30%, I just don't see why it is not admitted. It's not like we can do anything about it.
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The other day on my lvl 60 priest I was doing BG's for a while before I went to bed. I had 634 HK and it estimated that my honor was around 1200. (I'm guestimating here, the screenshots are at home.) The next day when I logged in I still had 634 HK but the honor that I received for the day was like 937. So I was like wtf?
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When I actually sat down and thought about it for a while it made sense because healers get screwed on honor per kill. People that do damage to the target receive 7-8 honor per kill while another person that healed for that fight only receives 3-4 honor.
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This is what we'd like addressed. This has been dodged but not addressed. This is not some radical display in bonus honor, this is an inaccuracy of what appears on our screen in three seperate occasions with the possibility of human lying on the third (the twenty that appeared before patch, the fourteen that appears post patch, and the ten that appears as the amount of Honor Points earned for a lieutenant kill (this last one being the one that is subject to human lying)).
If any CM can respond, it would be most appreciated.
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Do anyone have this problem?
Before 1:30 am. honor update
estimated 49 killed
After 1:30 am honor updated
estimated 26 killed
what happen to other 23 kills?
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If you typed it ONCE, And STICKIED it everyone would Shut Up
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uhhh, what? Are you claiming that the bonus honor is only 14 every 330 resources? The game says it is 20, in this thread you are claiming the 30% is done before you tell us, not after. People are SO confused because you don't have your facts straight. I know for a fact ab used to be 27 honor every 330 resources, and it now says 20. Now I see you claiming its really 14, where in fact you get 14 for every objective you do in AV (lieutenants, bunkers, ect.).
I'm going to spend a bit of time to try and explain this in a way that it makes sense (and is not 100% wrong like you keep posting).
BONUS HONOR:
AB:
WAS: 27 honor every 330 resources + 27 for a win = 189 (297 on a 'holiday' AB weekend)
NOW: 20 honor every 330 resources + 20 for a win = 140 (220 on a 'holiday' AB weekend)
mathematical reduction = around 30%
WSG:
WAS: not sure (didn't really pay attention before the nerf) but around 55
NOW: 40 per cap + 20 for a win = 140 (don't know how bonus works in wsg)
AV:
WAS: 20 honor every objective + random amounts (the random amounts were in chunks of 20)
NOW: 14 honor every objective + random amounts (chunks of 14)
mathematical reduction = around 30%
CONCLUSION: There was an obvious 30% reduction for bonus honor, that is SHOWN as you get it, not AFTER.
HONOR FROM KILLS:
This is a much harder beast to figure out. While I haven't done any tests to see exactly how much the kill honor was reduced it was reduced, and that reduction is SHOWN as you get it just like the bonus honor.
Using an add on to keep track of diminishing returns has shown that according to the estimated honor that is being given that the amount shown is correct. There is NO SECRET 30% MORE being taken off. The only reason your estimated honor from the day is different after they add it up during the night is because of diminishing returns, nothing else. The add on I've been using hasn't been off by more then 50-100 points a day even when getting 8k+ honor in a day. Blizzard is not doing anything differently then they did before with honor from kills (its just a lot less now).
THE END
*everything in this post is 100% right at the time of posting THX
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Just one question, with diminishing returns and with or without the 30% reduction, is it now possible that we can receive less than 1 honor per kill? Especially in AV where you are dividing each kill by like 30 people, would some kills start to round down to 0? Or is the +1 Honor seen after a kill just an estimate, when the actual total added could be like .3 or .7 honor?
I suppose the question can be reworded as, is there any fractional honor awarded and, if not, is it possible an honor gain can be rounded down to 0?
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ive nvr seen an estimated total.. it just says kills - 100* lifetime kills 500*
honor ~ 0 todays honor -0 so :O no i dont beleive you
* represent falsified numbers)
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Okay, but then the finalized honor should never be lower than the total bonus honor, yes?
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Since you're in here..
Drysc, when you kill someone multiple times, how often does that counter reset? For example, if I kill playerX 8 times in one game of AV, then see him again in another game that day and kill him 5 more times, does the '# of times killed' counter reset between games?
If you need me to clarify, let me know. My brain is kinda wracked atm, since I'm taking a quick break from studying for my MCP (test is on Friday).
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Mr. Drysc. Why not just set the honor value of everything to the correct value? Why can't you just change the default honor value from 20 to 14?
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Then just as I have known for the past week or so... I am getting double-dipped for honor hit. I see the totals in my log- and I get roughly half of that value in the form of true honor.
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Nice to see you didnt answer mine.......
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I dont know about other people, but the first thing I do when I log in for the day is to check my HONOR. If anyone is like me, they would know that they either have a DISPLAY bug or a partial amount from being on while it was calculated.
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before the honr change this week (as i cant be bothered to pay attention to such things all the time)
when i killed a champion solo i got 23 honor
when i killed a field marshall, i got 32
these are solo av kills with nobody around
if even ONE other person is around, no way to get over 20 for a kill. you'd see 11-15 at most. just to head off that point.
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Now we have the same cycle again. Blizzard announces a USEFUL honor system for once, then it gets nerfed, and then it starts giving us fake numbers? Come on...
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rofl.
If your server can do those numers for thousands of customers once a night...
why can't our computers do those numbers for just one customer at a time... namely our own client.
can't see why basic math is so hard for you guys to program in.