Why all the hate against priest ?

#0 - Dec. 1, 2006, 4:31 a.m.

i've been playing my priest since WoW have been released. i'm holy/disc spec since lvl57 ( was shadow for leveling ). i'm one of those that heal in a BG. i'm also one of those that made a dps class alt in order to farm money since my main was too slow at doing so.

so far, i've seen NOTHING good for priest in the expension. everything seem to be made in order to destroy caster. not only do the dps class receive *anti-cloth* ability, but fear is getting nerfed again ( and every-class can remove it ). our healing spell have been nerfed ( low level healing spell receive less +healing now...), rogue/warrior can decrease our healing effectiveness by 50%.
casting a spell while been hit make it take longer to cast, which mean a 1.5sec spell can take 2.5sec to cast. if you try to cast a spell ( example: smite ) on a warrior, he can just run through you and it will make you fail your spell ( target must be in front of you ). no matter how good you are, if the other person is also good, you will fail your spell most of the time.
Healing is NOT a good defence. dps class do more dmg to me than i can heal ( with equal gear...).
everyclass have a way to interrupt or silence you but us, priest, have no way to *disarm* a dps class

rogue/warrior/hunter get more dps by having +attack power gear AND agility/strength, while us, caster, can only get better dps by having +dmg gear ( which mean in many case that we must sacrifice intel/spirit/stamina bonus )

so i'm wondering if you plan to delete the priest class or just wait until we do all reroll when the expension come out. take a look at the priest forum if you have time.

Drysc

#8 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:01 a.m.

As a healing specced priest you've chosen talents that help you become great in a support role. If there's no one there to support, then you're likely going to be in a bit of a pickle. All classes have these choices to some degree in their talents, and there are ways to spend your talents that will make you much more valuable in certain situations. If you want to do damage then it's probably wise that you spend your talents so that you can do damage, and not so that you can heal well.

Drysc

#15 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:07 a.m.

Q u o t e:
There's a difference between `wanting to do damage' and `wanting to do something more than just die slower'.

Are you implying that shadow priests are unable to emerge from a fight with their life intact?

Drysc

#33 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:19 a.m.

Q u o t e:
And this philosophy is one of the major problems players are having with the game. Every class should be able to reasonably accomplish some solo task or some raid event without any talents. Talents should add to the char so that it then excells in some area. Instead you have several classes that are strictly divided among a couple cookie cutter talents lines and others that exist with a smattering from several.

Holy priests are of course able to deal some damage, and shadow priests are able to do some healing. It's not a complete divide, my comments were exaggerated in tone to make a clear statement.

I would certainly argue that every class can reasonably accomplish some solo task or some raid event without talents, that's a fact in the current game. You'll be severely weaker without them, but you can still deal damage, and you can still heal. Will it end in success? Probably not. The game and classes are designed around talent use as it is one of the main factors in character progression. If you're going in to a situation you aren't prepared for then your chance of failure is of course much higher.

I would argue against you saying that most players use only a couple builds for any one class. There are certain to be ones that are regarded a being much more efficient and are certainly more popular, anything can be minmaxed, and we design with that in mind, but you can visit any class forum and see the ideas and proposals. You can even look through talent builds here on the forums or other websites and see interesting or odd talent builds, and those people succeed in the game. They play their class, they succeed in the game, and they have a good time.

Drysc

#46 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:32 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Your a clown drysc. Name one class that is in a bit of a pickle if they dont have support.

A prot warrior? Did I pick right?

Drysc

#57 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:41 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Ooooo, you gonna take that Drysc? :P

His name is Dirtyjoe. I think he probably has enough going on without me banning him from the forums.

Drysc

#67 - Dec. 1, 2006, 5:53 a.m.

Q u o t e:
I'm more than happy to accept my role as a high-end holy priest that will not have fun with pvp

I have a ton of fun playing my holy priest in PvP. Watching people turn to me in surprise after their previous target jumps back to full life, and then seeing them slow down and fall to their death as they try to reach me. It's extremely entertaining.

I'm also able to hold my own for a while if needed, but I would definitely be able to do it a lot better if I was specced to. I realize this, and so I stay close to others and continue to laugh at the other team. If I have spent my whole life learning to build tables I probably wouldn't be able to then go and build a grandfather clock very well. I still could, but I haven't specialized myself to do so and thus it would be a much less efficient use of my resources.