Passing on BOP items....

The purpose, generally speaking, is to allow the item to be disenchanted. If you win the item you can vendor it, or someone else in the group can disenchant it for you, and the materials from the disenchant are almost guaranteed to sell for more than the item's vendor price. If there is a ninja you've got other problems to worry about.

I have been in a five person group before where everyone was able to disenchant so we simply greed rolled on everything we would have otherwise passed on.

[edit] These are my opinions as a player, not an official stance on how looting should be managed.

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STILL pretty pointless; the only time you should worry about disenchanting is if everyone passes.

The rule I believe most people play by is: pass on items that are Bind on Pickup, or need if it's an upgrade. It has a very viable point to it actually.

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Wait, when you group, do people know your drysc? or are they completely oblivious, so when they do something wrong you can turn and say "LOL BANNED!"

I play anonymously, as all of us do. It's better that way for everyone. If I do see something I find objectionable in-game I open a GM ticket the same as anyone else.

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The only problem with that is if some people have the mindset "I'll just greed it" and others have the mindset "i'll just pass", they collide and the person who innocently greeded is now called a ninja.

Definitely! And a great example of why setting down looting rules before any group with strangers is an extremely wise move. No one has the excuse that they didn't know what to do.

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on the pugs i run, i generally make a speach to the following effect:

if you NEED to wear something as an upgrade roll NEED
if you WANT to wear something for fun, sell it, or D/E it roll GREED
if you dont care at all, just pass

if anyone violates that i kick em and find someone else. no tolerance policy

What if it's a BOP and I'm unable to disenchant? I lose the profit I could have had if we passed to roll for a shard.

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drysc u know you just type .give xxx whatever item number you want you dont gotta lie... okay well you do gotta lie but we all know you do it kk thnx bai

If I did have that ability I wouldn't have such horrible gear. Sadly, no, we can't give ourselves items. I play just like everyone else. I like it that way.

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I roll need or greed according to if i need the item or if im going to sell/vendor it. You want the shard either win the roll yourself and disenchant it or kick me from your group.

That's a pretty horrible attitude to have. Since someone chose different professions the group should totally ignore their own ability to help that person out if they win the roll? It's the difference between clicking a button, and clicking a different button and typing /random. It's not a big production. You wouldn't be in any of my groups past the first BOP drop, guaranteed.

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Did I mention Drysc plays a warlock?

I've actually only played a warlock to maybe level 10. I would definitely like to level one up at some point, I'm just working on other characters. What gave you the idea that I do?

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If you are that worried about profiting from enchanting materials then you should have learned Enchanting as one of your professions.

;)

Expecting an enchanter in your PUG to DE so you can roll on the shard is like expecting the miner to allow you to roll on the Dark Iron ore they dig up, or the herbs they find or the leather they skin.

It's been an accepted and expected practice in every single group I've been in. Ever. I have characters with enchanting and I have no problem helping the person that won an item get a bit more out of it. Enchanting is not determining my ability to win an item, it simply allows me to make more from it if I can't use it. If I can help someone make a little more off the item they won then I'll do it. It takes all of a couple seconds.

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You probably have horrible gear because Blizzard makes you work crappy hours and you don't have time to fit a raiding schedule :p.

Night shifts don't help, no. :)

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True, but it depends on the PUG I'm with. Most are ok and theres no issues at all. Then theres the ones that can pretty much kiss it where the good lord split it. You know the group where the hunter asks for pet food AND ammo, the warrior insists on using Zerker stance to tank because he needs to out DPS the Rogue, who of course spends most of hte time stealthed and hiding behind everybody while your shadow priest is trying to heal everybody with vampiric embrace.......while you, the mage, are still shaking your head in wonderment after watching your party go after your sheeped target first time after time after time.

The kind of group you only stay in because you want to get the quest out of hte way before your guildies come on so you can do someting fun.

Yeah, I don't DE for those. lol

I wouldn't DE simply because I would make up an excuse and hearth asap. :)

That sounds like a nightmare I wouldn't allow myself to endure. Comparatively I must be getting in to some really decent PUGs.

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All this confuzzling Pass on BoPs so we can talk it out is a waste of time. Blizz put the Need/Greed system in to streamline this crap.

It's not confusing.

Pass.
[Everyone Passed]
/roll
Disenchanter loots and gives item to winner.

It takes almost no time, and at least from my experience everyone is used to doing it. I'm actually pretty surprised to see so many (although only a few of you) saying you don't follow this practice.

I think I may be taking my realm and the PUGs I'm getting in to for granted.

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On my server it is usually

If everyone passes, disenchanter loots, DE's then passes out shards at the end. It helps weed out the people that need to suddenly leave because their cat is on fire.

Interesting! I rather like the sound of that, but that's putting a lot of faith in your enchanter. How are they actually distributed at the end? Does the enchanter call out a specific material and then everyone rolls on each one by one?

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If it is not an ugrade, this works. If it is, and its on group loot, (been playing since release day), you bet your seet polygon butt I am rolling need on it.
This pass rule only benefits ninja's or greedy people who just want a shard imo.

Of course, pass on BoP unless it's an upgrade, then need away. It's polite to say you're needing before you do in those cases though.

I've never had a problem with a ninja due to passing on BoPs, but I can understand that being a concern. I'm not sure I would say it's "greedy" though. It's being cost effective. You're getting more out of the time you put in. I would call it being being smart.

I don't know about you but I don't have tons of gold. If I was rich and worrying about disenchanting greens, sure, that may be greedy. I'm not rich though, it's simply getting the most out of what I put in, and the same goes for everyone involved.