2.4 LOL

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When did anyone mention PvP balance changes? I'm a bit confused, I never saw a Blizzard rep say anything about this.

Me either, if anything it was stated multiple times not to expect sweeping or dramatic changes, and that we would be looking at making smaller adjustments throughout the PTR cycle.

I'd like to see a link though, maybe I missed out.

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I could swear it added a 5-man instance too.

Not to mention BT quality badge loot... *cough*

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Wait, are you serious?

Yeah, I don't think it made the notes. The vendor is on Sunwell Isle, some nice fist weapons I saw.

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HEY BLUE EXPLAIN THIS THAN....

http://www.curse.com/articles/details/5805/

I think I read a translation of the interview, which I wish I could find now, that wasn't just a bulleted list all lumped in together. It stated nothing similar to 2.4 containing PvP balance changes or 2.4 being the "e-sports patch".

In any case if you read the article that Curse got the information from you'll find an amendment, because the information in question was taken out of context.

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I’d like to start off with making one amendment to my previous translation in part 2, in regards to pvp balancing actions being taken. (On the question of “other information regarding 2.4″, Kaplan is secretive as always, though hints that there will be balancing actions taken in regards to PvP for certain classes). As this was a part of the “other information for 2.4″ heading I skimmed the information pretty quickly.

The exact wording is however suggesting that it’s not necessarily a specific 2.4 feature: Kaplan “… I can almost guarantee that by the time of the next patch, there will be some class balancing, especially in terms of PvP”. I’m not going to speculate any further on this quote, just wanted to make sure I provided the correct information.

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Your quote says:

"I can almost guarantee that by the time of the next patch, there will be some class balancing, especially in terms of PvP”. I’m not going to speculate any further on this quote, just wanted to make sure I provided the correct information."

Wouldn't the "next patch" be 2.4?

If I know anything about magazine publishing, and I don't really, they have something like a three to four month lead time. For all I know that interview was done before 2.3.

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Now I know you're up to something...

Watcha mean Rizz?

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Hey Drysc,

Honestly, you do a great job. Thanks for being here and doing your best.

It's not you, or some interview. I just think that much of the player base right now sees the game one way, and the devs see it another. Arena is big! Blizzard made it big. That's great. But it puts so much focus on PvP, and since players bought into it, they're concerned with PvP. I think the disappointment comes from the complete lack of anything having to do with what were blatantly obvious problems in PvP not being addressed at all.

I know Shaman were very hopeful that the patch would help them. Speaking as a Mage though, i just can't even believe there's... nothing! Nothing at all. I took all the fake patch notes with a grain of salt. Yet even i hoped for some help with pushback in the Frost tree, or a little help in some form for what feels like a forgotten class.

I know sometimes when patch notes are released, there's a lot of complaining, but this feels different.

By the time this patch comes out, and another possible one after that.... who knows how long we'll still be playing with the problems that players were REALLY concerned about.

I mean, fixing the interface, combat log junk, guild bank changes, hell even the entire Sunwell... I'd trade it all for a pushback resist talent in Frost. I guess that sort of thing is why so many feel let down.

Respectfullly.

The compliments are unnecessary, but thanks for at least talking to me like I'm a person. It's appreciated.

I didn't mean to give the impression (by showing why people's expectations were unfounded) that 2.4 will not include class changes. I was merely trying to understand why there was such an expectation, and then after figuring it out share with people where the disconnect lay. It obviously lay with fan sites reporting misquoted translations. That's just too many muddy hurdles for information to cross, in my opinion, and end up clean on the other side.

I didn't mean to give that impression because we're taking a different tactic in 2.4 than in previous point releases. Usually, a point release comes out, and that would be 2.2.0, 2.3.0, 2.4.0, etc. The large patches inbetween expansions. Usually those come out with a large amount of class changes, POW, lots of stuff, and throughout the PTR... those changes start to disappear, they start to turn into something else, and by the end of the PTR usually the class changes are half removed or half altered to the state of being unrecognizable from the original patch notes. Not exactly satisfying, and it really just stirs things up too much, too unnecessarily. The PTR process on these patches is very long, and over the course of the weeks or months (!) they last our minds change, our ideas change, and making huge changes out of the gate doesn't seem as appealing.

So, anyway, with 2.4 we're moving in a different direction, starting small, and working our way through the PTR with changes in-mind, but not a huge glut of changes we throw out at the start.

Kind of a tease I suppose, everyone wants to see crazy changes and yell and pull hair, but we weren't happy with that approach. It's a more subdued approach, and it's sure to put focus on specific changes as they go in one or a few at a time. We'll see how it works out, hopefully it's for the best.

Still though, heh, just to manage some expectation, there's no huge amount of sweeping changes announced, we're going to make changes we feel are able and necessary to be implemented at this time.

Oh, and when I said "enjoy your weekend", I meant it just the way it is. You guys read too much into things. :)

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Incidentally Dyrsc, did you and Eyonix armwrestle for this one? Or did you decide to be nice and give him a break for once?

I just decided to stay and see if the PTR was going up and caught myself up in it. I don't have any problems with people being upset the patch didn't deliver on something they expected, it wasn't my fault, it wasn't "Blizzard"s fault. It was some bad translation of a misquote or whatever, how can I be mad about that? Stuff happens. I'm just trying to explain as truthfully and rationally as I can, and if people want to listen then they can, and if they want to fight my words, they can. In either case, I will enjoy my weekend.

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So what you're saying, Drysc, is that there may or may not be any significant (more than tweaks or bug fixes) class changes in 2.4?

[edit] Wait... what?

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Do you have ANY training, experience, or expertise in public relations?

No, I worked at Michael's before Blizzard.

It's an Arts & Crafts store.

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It shows.

Figures you worked at a store that sells cheap art supplies to housewives.

Says it all.

Hey hey hey now! Totally uncalled for there buddy.

Michael's is a purveyor of high quality products ranging from silk flowers and arrangements, to scrap booking supplies, models, paints, wood working products, and substantial holiday diorama sets!

So you just take that back!

Seriously though it really sucked when someone would come with a shopping cart overflowing with silk flowers or scrap book paper, you have to scan that stuff one at a time.

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Thanks for screwing us over with half promises so you can back out and play this bull of a card.

Thanks alot. Alot of us really wanted to see this.

CM's make me sick, you guys are part of the main issue I have with even bothering with the forums.

You have no idea what you're even talking about.

Now the thread is broken and will sink to the bottom of the forums so I don't have to wonder why no one is actually reading the information it contains.