#0 - Nov. 6, 2006, 11:32 p.m.
Also what about the gear matching system for bgs? I know they said they wanted to implement it but are they planning on putting it in the expansion or at a later time?
Question on arena rewards
Also what about the gear matching system for bgs? I know they said they wanted to implement it but are they planning on putting it in the expansion or at a later time?
#2 - Nov. 6, 2006, 11:57 p.m.
Everyone will have access to the arena rewards regardless of their team's standing. The only determining factor is how quickly you can obtain the rewards, and that's obviously dependent on how well your team is doing each week. If you're a mediocre team you're not going to get the rewards nearly as quickly as the top teams, but you still have something to work towards and you'll get them eventually. It does of course encourage improving your skill and abilities within the arenas so that you can obtain the rewards faster.
#10 - Nov. 7, 2006, 12:05 a.m.
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SO pretty much play 14/7 grind grind grind again. No good for casuals. Nice!
I would highly recommend researching information on how the arena team ranking system works before making comments on it.
As it uses a rating system that can punish you for losing to teams worse than you, most players are going to play their minimum 10 games, see how they stand, and decide whether they're feeling lucky and want to gamble being at a worse standing by fighting another team, and so on and so forth. It's a system that actually discourages grinding, so again, please feel free to locate information on something before commenting.
#28 - Nov. 7, 2006, 12:18 a.m.
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Sorry Drysc, a quick followup that I hadn't seen asked. At the end of the 3 month season, do you lose your arena points (currency), or do they roll over into the next season?
To break it down a little more simply, here is all that happens:
Week - At the end of each week (maintenance day) your team's standing is calculated and arena points are distributed. The arena points can then be saved or spent on rewards.
Season - Each season lasts three months, and at the end of a season cool status/cosmetic-only prizes are handed out to the top teams, and if needed we can add new rewards so that the arena is keeping up with any new PvE items we've released.
That's it, arena points aren't wiped, the season is simply a time for us to recognize the top performing teams and also possibly add some new rewards.
#31 - Nov. 7, 2006, 12:21 a.m.
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Theres a post somewhere that says pre70 and 70 when not with your team, arena will be strictly Skirmish, no ratings involved. I'll see if I can find it for you.
Right, rated arena matches are only available at level 70. Pre-70 you can play in arena skirmishes which only reward you with honor points as you're just killing doodz. You can also enter skirmish matches at 70 for practice, or if you just aren't on a team.
#34 - Nov. 7, 2006, 12:22 a.m.
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Edit: now that I've got you into my trap of doom can you answer whether or not lower levels can get PvP reward gear,not just capes and trinkets, in any way shape or form?
We're not currently planning to add any additional low-level honor system rewards, but that's always a possibility for the future.
#50 - Nov. 7, 2006, 12:54 a.m.
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Ok, this system makes no sense. "The players with the better record will get the rewards faster".
Thus the players who are already better than everyone else will be even more unbeatable because they have the better Arena gear.
The bottom line is that the losers should get the rewards faster to create a more balanced playing field and make the arena competitive.
Teams are matched based on their standing, so in general the best teams are going to be match against other 'best teams'. However, the system still allows for everyone else to work towards high-end rewards at the pace their abilities allow them to. Will you work at your PvP skill and move up in rank week after week, or will you flounder about at the bottom?
The arenas are a place for those that want to use their PvP abilities to gain high-end rewards to do so, and while everyone can participate and work towards their goals, everyone should be working on improving their skill and earning those rewards.
Aside from that, a handicap system is a categorically bad way to level the playing field in a ladder system as anyone can easily fake being bad and then use that to raise in standing faster.
#60 - Nov. 7, 2006, 1:25 a.m.
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What happened to all the past responses saying things along the lines of, "most of the top-end rewards will have a rank requirement as well?" Which blue responses are accurate and which ones are bull%**#?
They can't both be right.
Could you possibly link to them? If you're remembering correctly and those statements were made then they were based on incorrect information.
There are no individual player ranks in the arena system that the rewards could even be limited by, if such a thing existed. The only thing I can think of that could even be mistaken for a player rank is that you'll earn titles at the end of a season for being in one of the top teams, but it's simply a title and has no bearing on anything but your ability to show off how much of a bad ass you are.
Even if you're consistently in the worst arena team on your realm you'll still be able to accumulate arena points and eventually be able to purchase rewards, it's just going to take you a really long time.
#64 - Nov. 7, 2006, 1:46 a.m.
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How does it work with the players who sit out most of the time as alternates?
Are they considered part of the team or do they only get arena points for matches they actually participate in?
You get an equal portion of the team's arena points at the end of the week as long as you participated in at least 30% of the games the team played. If you really want to participate in the arena system and work towards the rewards then you're probably not going to want to sit on a team charter as an alternate. The alternate spots are really just there so the team doesn't have to kick anyone if someone isn't able to play for a week; they can just invite someone to fill in for a short time.
#67 - Nov. 7, 2006, 1:49 a.m.
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?????? so your saying pre lvl 70, all we can do is skirmishes that accumulate NO arena points and are playing just for practice and CANT get rewards till we reach lvl 70?? if what i said is true, thats bull....how about us casuals who play a limited time and cant dedicate 24/7 to wow??
You got to 60, you can get to 70. If you can't dedicate much time to playing then the arena should be a good fit for you, you only need to play 10 games a week, most of which are probably going to be 5 minutes or less.
#68 - Nov. 7, 2006, 1:51 a.m.
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Can you set up skirmish matches and play against people you *CHOOSE*? (for no points at all)
PLEASE SAY YES!!!
Not currently planned as the skirmishes do allow honor points to be earned.
#79 - Nov. 7, 2006, 2:11 a.m.
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Can my character only be in 1 bracket at one time? Or can I be on a 2v2 arena team, 3v3 and a 5v5 teams (basically playing in 3 brackets for my character).
You can be in one team of each size.
#109 - Nov. 7, 2006, 4:03 a.m.
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You only get "cool prizes" to the top teams, yet everyone has access to the same things. Unless those "cool prizes" are free rewards that everyone else can spend arena points on, you're spewing out a contradiction.
Everyone has access to the arena rewards, which can be purchased through use of the arena points you gain. Separately, if you're in one of the top teams at the end of a season you get "cool prizes" (undisclosed at this time but I can confirm that they are purely status or cosmetic in nature) that you can only get by being the top team at the end of the season. They're separate reward structures.
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And do please quit trying to hide behind exact wordings as a means of side-stepping an answer. "You didn't use the exact right term that we're using in house, so instead of actually answering, I will tilt my head to the side and act bewildered by your stupity." It's getting really, really old and is the source of the growing venom you guys receive on these forums.
I'm doing my best to break down a new system as easily as possible for everyone that may read this thread now, or over the course of the next few weeks. If I wanted to side-step a question, I wouldn't answer it. I would also directly challenge your view that the community here is becoming worse by the day, when I have witnessed the exact opposite occur. Please don't confuse your own outlook with that of the entire community here, because I have come to know these forums as an increasingly positive and receptive group of players.
#111 - Nov. 7, 2006, 4:12 a.m.
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So no, everyone doesn't have access to the same rewards. Instead, everyone has access to one set of rewards, and you still have to be one of the "top teams" to get the real rewards of the arena system -- the ones on par with the PvE rewards.
In other words, no, everyone won't eventually have access to the full set of rewards from the arena. That's all you had to say instead of trying to make it sound more glorious than it actually is.
I updated the part in parenthesis to make it a bit more clear for you (as well as my original post). All the rewards rivaling the high-end PvE rewards ARE the arena point rewards. The rewards given to the top teams at the end of the season are purely status or cosmetic in nature.
I think you need a hug.
#131 - Nov. 7, 2006, 5:33 a.m.
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Also, if there are only 2 people in my 2v2 team roster, and one disconnects/afk's, do i forfeit the game and get a mark against me?
If both players die or leave the game world you would lose the match. You can't hot swap members into the match regardless of who's on the roster.
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Also, do different level brackets have their own fighting systems? you said that the 'best teams' will play against other 'best teams', so does this mean a good lvl 30 team would be playing against a bad lvl 40 team? (i am, of course, talking exclusively of the skirmish side of the arena system)
What I was referring to were ranked teams at level 70 being paired up based on their team's standing. In the case of skirmishes there are level brackets players will be paired up by similar to the battlegrounds. The arena skirmish level brackets are actually divided by every five levels as opposed to every 10 like in the battlegrounds (60-64, 65-69, 70, and of course all the levels below those).
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Thanks!
You're welcome.
#148 - Nov. 7, 2006, 6:14 a.m.
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Delete my post if I'm commenting on "unreleased content" here, but the screenshots I've seen of the arena rewards are only five-piece sets (I'm pretty sure). Is it likely that arena items for other slots will be cycled in as the seasons change, or should arena doodz expect to be filling those item slots elsewhere (such as through PvE-acquired gear, crafted stuff, or normal honor reward gear)?
Nope, all the rewards are in the beta and free to be discussed. The honor system rewards are actually designed to fit the arena set and fill it out if someone just wanted to PvP all the time, but you're of course free to suit up through any other means as well. We definitely would like for everyone to enjoy as many aspects of the game and progress their characters through as many of those as they can, but we realize that some have specific tastes and we're trying to accommodate them as much as possible.