Season 10 Short Warning? MMR Reset

Is this a joke?

This season is easily the worst season when it comes to competition. MMR has been nerfed to the ground without teams being reset, people have been camping rank 1 for months, and now there's a 6 day warning?

Seriously, extend the season or I guarantee you will have many unhappy customers.

We generally try to give a two week notice on season resets when we can. If you also notice, the date there is just a tentative date. Please be aware that this date could change, but we wanted to make sure we let everyone know as soon as possible.

I recognize that this is "short" notice and also recognize that many are concerned over the lack of MMR reset. We'll do what we can to provide you with more information on why we have decided to not reset as soon as possible (it requires some internal conversations so will take a little time).

While I recognize that people feel strongly about this notification, I'd like to remind everyone that using profanity (masked or not) violates the forum code of conduct. As always, we're completely open to constructive discussion and feedback. Please just refrain from harassing or defamatory language toward Blizzard Employees or other players. Again, it's not appropriate for these forums and may result in a temporary suspension of forum posting privileges.

I recognize that this is "short" notice and also recognize that many are concerned over the lack of MMR reset. We'll do what we can to provide you with more information on why we have decided to not reset as soon as possible (it requires some internal conversations so will take a little time).

Nethaera, this comment actually greatly concerns me, in and of itself. A decision not to reset MMR has been made. Presumably, some internal conversation had already been made prior to the decision. I mean, that would be a reasonable assumption on our part, don't you think?

So I have to understand your comment as meaning that you (at the moderator level) weren't told why the decision had been made. We can deduce quite a bit from that, but the base fact is that either a decision was made not to tell you, or it wasn't considered important enough to register as a to-do item by those who decided to leave the MMR alone. Either way, it reveals that the decision-makers consider that having the players know why an MMR reset isn't being done is undesirable or irrelevant. As you can imagine, that doesn't sit well with us.

First off, you're incorrect. I'm not at "moderator" level. I and the rest of my team are at "community manager level" not to disparage the hard work moderators do (and they do work extremely hard). What I meant was simply, that I am unaware of what the genesis of the decision was, and that I and the rest of the team would look into it more on your behalf. I am not promising any change in decision, but am promising that the constructive feedback and concerns would be carried to the developers and that we'd discuss it further and see if we could bring back additional information. Whether this information we bring back is going to make you any happier or not is completely out of my hands or anyone else on the community team. How you deal with the answers is completely up to you, but threats of leaving the game etc, while they seem convincing, is not productive to the conversation.

We normally do not as a matter of course reset the MMR.. This is a part of the design of the system of which is also used within StarCraft II (not to directly compare games) and the system works well. That said though, I am also aware of the concern over the previous MMR issues (which were fixed) and lack of MMR reset along with it. Again, I (or anyone else on the team) can't promise a change in this decision, but we can and will carry your constructive feedback and concerns back to the development team. The answer may be "no" at the end of the day, but we'll do what we can to explain the "why" to you as well as we can should it continue to be a, "no reset" answer.

I'm going to be completely open with you all and let you know, that my statement of suspending people for bad behavior in this thread was not a threat. It's something that I will carry out (and am) though in order for there to be a dialogue of value that I can use (and the team can use) to have a conversation with the development team. "Bumping" the thread (without providing additional value), harassing others (including PvE vs. PvP in-fighting) is not going to help me or anyone else in conveying your message. You can choose to "rebel" by swearing or telling "Blizzard" where to go, but again, that's not going to help you or your stance on this issue. I'm trying to help you here and in order to do that, there has to be a clean discussion that isn't rife with overly emotional agendas.

Again, passion for a topic like PvP is not only welcome but appreciated. Whether you want to believe in our commitment to it or not is up to you.

It's odd that you feel like there needs to be "a discussion" on the issue of resetting MMR, as if to imply that you think it's the job of the playerbase to instruct you on how the MMR system works and convince you that it needs to be reset.

Everyone that has been camping R1 since the first two weeks of this season will do the exact same thing next season, because you aren't resetting MMR, and that's the way MMR works. What sort of discussion do we need to have about this?

I'm not saying that it's the place of the community to "convince" us. But as these are "discussion forums" and you are here and posting, I'm assuming that you would like to "discuss" how you feel about the announcement and express your feedback on it. Discussion in and of itself is often "convincing" without it being the predominant focus of said discussion. That said, it seemed that many people here are indeed attempting to influence and change our minds with their discussion (no matter the direction it takes) and thus, why I want to make sure that if this is going to continue and be useful, that everyone keeps to it being in fact a constructive discussion.

I'm trying to help facilitate a way for you to share your thoughts without risking threads being locked, deleted, or suspensions being enacted. It's unnecessary if the discussion stays on point and there are no Code of Conduct violations. So, you can either choose to allow me to help you with carrying on the discussion with each other (and by extension us) or you can choose to not believe in the goals I've set out. Again, I don't control you or your thoughts. I am not here to convince you that your thoughts are wrong or that you have no right to be upset about aspects you disagree with.

I just wanted to revisit this thread and let everyone know that this hasn't dropped off the radar. Feedback has been carried to the Development team and should additional information be provided to us (whether the MMR doesn't reset or does get reset) we'll let you know. I'm going to have to ask you to be patient awhile longer.

We greatly appreciate those who have taken the time to respond and have done so constructively. It's all we can ask for.

11/10/2011 10:27 AMPosted by Gataris

I just wanted to revisit this thread and let everyone know that this hasn't dropped off the radar. Feedback has been carried to the Development team and should additional information be provided to us (whether the MMR doesn't reset or does get reset) we'll let you know. I'm going to have to ask you to be patient awhile longer.

Thank you. I may be misunderstanding, so forgive me if that's the case, but I'm taking away from your comment that the additional information you may receive is whether the MMR will be reset or not. You've also conveyed that we'd like their rationale for the decision, yes?

Indeed. We'll keep you all informed once we have something more to share.

Hello everyone, I just wanted to bring you a brief update on Season 10. Please note that we've updated the original messaging with a new projected date for the change in season. " Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end November 29."We are also in the process of updating our messaging with the following information: "Matchmaking (MMR), Team, and Personal Ratings will all be wiped when Season 11 begins."

As always, those who took the time to share their constructive feedback in this thread and in other locations are appreciated.

Please read above.They're going to reset it so don't worry.

/facepalm

The point still stands. And is exemplified by your post. They DIDN'T think, so we DID get pissed off, and THAT'S why they changed it.

had blizzard applied the filter, they would have never even considered not restting MMR, pissing us off, then suddenly changing it back to reseting.

Seriously? Are people so ADD that they cant see the overall point of a post and can only focus on one part of it?

Actually, you are incorrect in your assertion that "they didn't think". They are always thinking. It's their job. We needed to notify people as quickly as possible about the potential change in season, so we did. (We knew it was shorter notice than normal so couldn't delay.) An announcement of a thing is not evidence that all thinking or consideration of that thing has stopped. That is not what our development team does as much as they'd love to wash their hands of tasks and call them "done" for all time. ;)

Also of note, this isn't the first nor the last time that we have listened to community feedback and sometimes community feedback and developer internal discussions coincide. Either way, the results are the same and a meeting of minds occurs and things change. It's a beautiful thing when it does.

11/10/2011 04:01 PMPosted by Luggnutt

if you wouldnt mind Nethaera would you just tell everyone that my post's were by far the most insightful and ultimately led to the reversal of mmr reset and season extending, thanks bud in advance

I would, but then everyone would want post endorsements. Then I'd be tempted to charge for said endorsements and wind up in cheesy ads smiling and holding post print outs, which while good for extra money, most likely wouldn't be good for my ongoing career development. You understand don't you?

Ty for posting Nethaera :) showing us you care and I appreciate it as a paying customer. Did you read the poem i wrote towards this <333 :3

I did. Thank you! :) It was very nice of you and glad we could make you happier.

so you're delaying the release of 4.3 by 2 weeks because of some pvp whiners?

ugh

Let me clear up something and I'm going to be very direct. The original date was merely a tentative date. That meant that it was subject to change for a variety of reasons. The "delay" though does allow for more time for the season. We merely wanted to make sure that the timing was communicated clearly since many people set up their season plans around it. I'd highly encourage anyone who feels the need to start another PvP vs. PvE flame war to reconsider before posting. It's not appropriate.

Let me clear up something and I'm going to be very direct. The original date was merely a tentative date. That meant that it was subject to change for a variety of reasons. The "delay" though does allow for more time for the season. We merely wanted to make sure that the timing was communicated clearly since many people set up their season plans around it. I'd highly encourage anyone who feels the need to start another PvP vs. PvE flame war to reconsider before posting. It's not appropriate.

Sorry, wasn't trying to flame or stir things up :(

Thank you for the clarification.

No worries. I think people jumped to conclusions, and I wanted to make sure people were aware that a delay was possible already for many reasons. In this case, it works out to help the PvP community and the PvE community both (we want to make sure we're as bug free as possible when everyone tries to take down the big D.) It's win win and now you all should just /hug or something because we're all in this big crazy World (of Warcraft) together so we might as well have some fun. Ok?