I think I'm being cheated out of honor >_>...

#0 - Dec. 8, 2007, 8:09 p.m.
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Yesterday, I played AV and AB to get the exact amount of honor I needed for my vindicator's leather belt, which was 1933, since I have 15917, and 15917 + 1933 = 17850. Well, the problem is, I hit 1955 in an AB game and actually went over into 2k, maybe 2100 honor or so. The problem is, I woke up this morning and checked my account, and it claims I only made 1611 honor yesterday, when I know I looked into the tab and saw 1955 and more several times.

Are there things that can reduce my honor by 500 or so? Is a certain amount reduced or something o_O..? This is EXTREMELY annoying, because now I don't get the pleasure of removing this belt that I took extensive measures to rid myself of, with 17529 honor. Can I get an explanation for this?
#5 - Dec. 8, 2007, 9:08 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
Are there things that can reduce my honor by 500 or so?


Yar:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3269178255&pageNo=1&sid=1#7
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&postId=19943989270&sid=1

(My brevity is not meant to dissuade you, Xialoh; this matter, however, has been touched upon several times, and I merely feel as though my previous responses should suffice as an answer to your query. Let me know if I've assumed incorrectly, though. :) )
#12 - Dec. 9, 2007, 4:24 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
Stop feeding the public with this stupid crap.


There are a plethora of mitigating factors listed within the provided threads, Telitzp; if these particular contributions bore no effect on one's estimated and calculated honor, I would not have included them.

To reiterate—


Mitigating Factor #1:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3269178255&pageNo=1&sid=1#7

Q u o t e:
Battleground Daily Quests ("Call to Arms:") are currently awarding more honor than intended, Eriul; while the documented increase is only typically double (~850), some cases have suggested that estimated honor totals—located in your "Today" column—can stack multiple times (bearing consecutive zonings or log outs). During calculations, this additional honor is corrected by our system's scripts, allowing many players to believe that they've, in fact, "lost" points. Known issue, looking into it. :)


This one is fairly self-explanatory, but I'll elaborate further.

To wit:

Player A wakes up, ready for an entire day of honor grinding. Learning that the battleground Daily Quest is for Arathi Basin, Player A queues for AB; uncertain of queue times, Player A also signs up for AV, and EoTS (why not?).

Player A lucks out! The queue time for AB is roughly only five minutes, with EoTS following closely at 15. Player A enters AB, kicks some serious butt, wins, re-zones, turns in quest and—voila!—an additional 419 honor. No sweat. Player A thinks to his or herself, "Man. This is awesome."

While musing, Player A is then immediately prompted to enter EoTS; he or she zones in and immediately begins with the normal mass slaughter, though fails to realize that another 419 honor has been stacked into the estimated "Today" total. The same occurs when Player A zones back to the initial queuing location, now bringing his or her BG daily-provided honor total to about 1260—840 of which was not legitimately earned. Player A pays no attention, merely attributing this increase to leet pwning skillz.

The next day, Player A notices that his or her current total is about 1k short of the original estimated total. Dismayed and confused, Player A submits a petition and receives the explanation provided herein.

Make sense? :)


Mitigating Factor #2:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&postId=19943989270&sid=1#3

Q u o t e:
If you happen to accrue honor during daily calculations, Morinzafer, there is a very large chance your honor will not display appropriately within your PvP tab the following day, as issues can arise with our internal calculations should the associated processes be interrupted with incoming data. While these issues may prevent your day's honor total from appearing as it should, this does not mean your honor has disappeared; it's merely not displaying as intended. If you refrain from PvPing during calculations the following evening (tonight, as it were), your combined daily totals--Yesterday and Today--should show up accordingly the next day.


You've reported in the past discrepancies of nearly 3,000 honor, Telitzp; the particular report to which I'm referring, ironically, was submitted right after calculations for the evening concluded. As a means of corroboration, I was able to verify that you were, indeed, actively PvPing during the time tabulation scripts were run—roughly 8:00GMT to 10:00GMT. This did not prevent your honor from rolling over correctly; merely, it disallowed the correct total from being displayed within your PvP tab (both your "Current" and "Yesterday" slots).

The condition of this specific concern is that, in order for one's honor to display correctly, one must refrain from participating in any honor-gaining activity the following evening. The most efficient time to cease battleground queuing is approximately 12am.


Mitigating Factor #3:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&postId=19943989270&sid=1#3

Q u o t e:
At the beginning of the day, a player, if killed for the first time, is worth--let's say--a full ten honor points. Each time this player is killed, the amount of honor points awarded at the advent of his or her death is decreased by 10%. This said, the second time this player is killed, he or she should only be worth 9 points; the third time, 8 points; the fourth time, 7 points--and so on and so forth until the player awards no honor points and is no longer considered an honorable kill.

At present, such diminishing returns are not being considered in estimated daily totals. That is, each time a player is killed, your "Today" total will increase by the full ten points, regardless of the player's actual worth; however, daily calculations will account for this intended loss, often bringing your actual total down from its prior estimate.


While diminishing returns may not account for the thousands of honor reported "missing," their inclusion can and will toggle one's total—likely lessening one's calculated honor from his or her original estimate. Many are wont to discredit this particular factor, simply because its effect seems so immeasurably small; nonetheless, when one is able to accrue 3, 6, 10 thousand honor per day, there exists a fairly large chance that one is encountering the same players over and over and over and over and over and over, not only bringing said players' worth in honor to zero, but artificially padding one's estimated total indefinitely.


I hope this allows a bit more clarification, my friend, while effectively negating any belief that we are simply attempting to hoodwink our player base out of well-earned honor. If there's any further elucidation that I can provide, though, please let me know.
#19 - Dec. 9, 2007, 6:39 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
1. Why is there no 'roll-over honor' section?
2. Why is the current system unable to calculate how much a player is worth? A user-built mod is out there that can.
4. Why is it impossible to stop the daily BG quest from tabbing over and over? Is it that difficult?


All excellent questions, Telitzp, though ones unfortunately not apt for the Game Master department; I would encourage you to perhaps propose these queries within our PvP Discussion forum, or, if you're brave enough, within General.

On this same note, I believe there's a few genuine suggestions laying beneath your curiosity, and I would sincerely encourage you to voice your concerns and potential resolutions (or mechanics you believe absolutely beneficial to the game as a whole) within our Suggestions Forum. Contrary to well-held belief, this particular location is a wonderful way to ensure that desired functionalities are understood by our Development team.

Q u o t e:
3. How are we 100% sure that we are not losing any honor or being 'hoodwinked' around corners? There seems to be a lot of problems.


To quote:
    With that said, we are also looking into potential ancillary issues with honor distribution for a few key battlegroups. At present, we've yet to discover any conclusive information suggesting a miscalculation or failed distribution, though are still pressing forward. Please, folks—don't jump to conclusions; this is only a preliminary inquiry. In most cases, discrepancies reported have been attributed to normal calculation functionality (diminishing returns, playing during tabulation) or the noted issue above. Nonetheless, I'll try to keep you all informed as best as possible.


We're consistently monitoring incoming reports regarding potential mis-distribution or overlaying issues with honor calculation; we were able to detect the concern with Alterac Valley because of this moderation. Nevertheless, we still encourage our players to inform us of any perceived error so we can remain abreast of any developing concern.

Q u o t e:
Are they really on a time schedule? They seem to end around 5:23 to 5:31AM EST.


Aye, they are; regardless, while such tabulations may end around the noted time, they begin to process well before honor is reflected in-game. With this, the specific times may vary slightly day-to-day; "12am" is simply a stable buffer.

Q u o t e:
Instead of writing a rebuttals; I decided to just bold all your statements that need a fixing.


Many of the bolded lines you've indicated do not actually require fixing, as there are simply singular examples of what can occur; they will not apply to every player. I provided all possible mitigating factors, Telitzap, and they need not overlap (nor represent one's particular situation perfectly), as any one can affect one's final honor total.
#55 - Dec. 24, 2007, 3:16 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
Want a solution?


I'm noting you were actively participating in Alterac Valley at the advent of nightly calculations, Chubbafx. This particular contributing factor is likely the cause for any "missing" honor you've experienced thus far.

As a reiteration:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&postId=19943989270&sid=1

    If you happen to accrue honor during daily calculations, Morinzafer, there is a very large chance your honor will not display appropriately within your PvP tab the following day, as issues can arise with our internal calculations should the associated processes be interrupted with incoming data. While these issues may prevent your day's honor total from appearing as it should, this does not mean your honor has disappeared; it's merely not displaying as intended. If you refrain from PvPing during calculations the following evening (tonight, as it were), your combined daily totals--Yesterday and Today--should show up accordingly the next day.


If you refrain from playing past midnight PST this Christmas eve, you will awake to find such temporarily displaced honor within your PvP tab. Cross my tiny, fluttering heart!

For credence:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&sid=1&pageNo=3#57

    Greetings Syndri,

    Followed your instructions and VOILA! Logged in this morning and all appears to be normal ;) Many thanks for your patience and assistance.

    Take care


You've not been cheated, my friend. :)
#57 - Dec. 24, 2007, 3:48 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
Back to the 2300 honor that is gone, how is it possible that i received 3 times more honor then i should have?


Because you played during nightly calculations, my friend. Any honor accrued past this period can—and often will—become backlogged; while all points have been assigned to your character, they've simply yet to appear appropriately within your PvP tab.

As daily tabulations apply only to those points achieved prior to the calculation period, any new incoming honor possesses the potential to "confuse" the process. Side effects of this confusion range from marginal roll-over to no ostensible assignment of points; however, and as noted previously, all one needs to do to assure that proper display occurs is to refrain from playing during calculations the following evening. :)
#59 - Dec. 24, 2007, 4:06 p.m.
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Not a problem! I realize it can be a touch confusing, particularly when attempting to broach the subject while frustrated. :)

Merry Christmas eve, Borila!
#75 - Jan. 20, 2008, 4:38 p.m.
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You both were playing during calculations. Aye—both of ye'.

Read the thread, folks. I ain't long-winded for nothin'. :)
#90 - Feb. 6, 2008, 5:31 p.m.
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This thread is still alive and kicking and thus has not yet entered official zombiedom and brain chewing. It'll likely remain unlocked until the new changes are released. :)
#92 - Feb. 6, 2008, 5:48 p.m.
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There's a subtle difference between a "necrothread" and a thread which still continues to serve contemporaneous purpose. This particular collection is one of the latter, as it possess timely relevance to timely concerns.

That, and well—we continually link to it when attempting to allay various players' grievances regarding honor distribution. So, in the end, no harm/no foul. :)
#100 - Feb. 22, 2008, 3:44 a.m.
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Q u o t e:
Well last night i did one daily av won, ab lost and a wsg lost estimation was 1700 ya a little much but the next day i recived 100 honor? Sorry but i was screwed out of honor.


Sorry, Hris, but you weren't. You were playing during honor calculations which means the honor that you earned will not be applied to your character until the next calculation period. Unless of course you are on that character during this calculations as well.

Specifically.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035718802&postId=19943989270&sid=1#3
Q u o t e:

Q u o t e:
If you happen to accrue honor during daily calculations, Morinzafer, there is a very large chance your honor will not display appropriately within your PvP tab the following day, as issues can arise with our internal calculations should the associated processes be interrupted with incoming data. While these issues may prevent your day's honor total from appearing as it should, this does not mean your honor has disappeared; it's merely not displaying as intended. If you refrain from PvPing during calculations the following evening (tonight, as it were), your combined daily totals--Yesterday and Today--should show up accordingly the next day.