Got Scammed Buying A PR: Report?

#0 - Sept. 6, 2010, 6:24 a.m.
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Hello,

A player was advertising arena-carrying services in trade today. We agreed upon a 2200 PR in 3s for 3200 gold and 2 Primodial Saronites. We agreed upon half up front, half later. I traded him 1600 gold and 1 Primodial Saronite and he logged off. It's been almost an hour.

Is this an offense on his part, so I could get reimbursed by a GM? Or am I out of luck?

Thank you,
#49 - Sept. 10, 2010, 12:37 a.m.
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There is an unbelievable amount of misinformation flying around in this thread, so I thought I would clarify a few things.

Q u o t e:
I dont think this is a "legal" form of transaction in the game. Blizzard isnt really in charge of player services beyond professions.


Purchasing a Personal Rating from a player using IN GAME CURRENCY is not a violation of our policies, so long as the matches are won legitimately (see below). It is, however, an unsupported transaction. Buyer beware, in the event that these sort of transactions go awry, a Game Master will likely be unable to assist.

The act of win-trading, however, is a very different story. If in the event two teams are set up to exploit the arena system in order to ramp up someone's rating, this IS a violation of our terms. This should be avoided at all costs.

Q u o t e:
This is completely against the rules.. You made an agreement that was told to you in writing over the logs, This is the exact same as using a profession, you are offering them your skills to make an item for a price or for the mats and a tip.. If mats are given to the person then they log off and don't make the item then they are scamming you.. He asked for half first which i guess would be the materials he wants in order to carry you to 2200 in arena. He didn't put his part down so now he is breaking the rules..


A situation where a player scams an individual out of an item which can be traded through in-game mechanics, such as items from crafting professions, is very different from players trading Personal Rating. Personal Rating is not a verifiable "possession," nor is there a supported in-game way to provide this exchange. To put it bluntly, you can't put a rating in a trade window for a set amount of gold or items.

To quote from our Scam policy: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/20459

Q u o t e:
A scam is the act of acquiring items or any other possession from another player through misinformation, confusion, or fraud.


This is definitely a case of semantics, and Personal Rating does not qualify as an item or possession - it is a rating or status.

Q u o t e:

i once fell for one of those buy a spectral tiger for 5000g scams. GM gave me my golds back. This was back in the day when GMs would answer tickets within a few hours of you putting it up.


Another very different situation. The Spectral Tiger is an in-game item that can be traded and, as a result, is a transaction we are sometimes able to support. Bear in mind this is only for the in-game item and the in-game code - trading the out-of-game code for gold would be a violation of our terms.

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Blizzard outlawed casinos because they didn't want their support staff filled with complaints of dishonest games running. Be that as it may, casinoes still run. quite a few legit, and some less than so. Unless there is a verbal footprint (messages, say, tradechat, guildchat) of the discussion in game, you're hosed. If it was discussed over vent, bye bye money.


In the past, casinos were a violation of our terms due to the potential risk of scam inherent as well as the spam it tends to generate. Further review of our stance on this has brought us to our current policy. Casinos are currently considered an unsupported transaction. However, advertisement of them in any public channel (trade, whisper, say, yell, etc.) is a violation of our policies.

Are in-game casinos against the rules?
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/27048

Q u o t e:
considering blizzard endorses GDKP (you pay for your epics) and remedies ninjas in said GDKP runs to other players, it would appear Blizzard has no issue with your limited definition of cheating. time to revise your concept of cheating.


Completely false. GDKP is not a supported form of loot distribution - were it to be, you'd find it on the drop-down menu when choosing a type of loot system. In cases of loot scams, where clear loot rules were provided by the raid leader and consequently violated (which can occasionally be in the form of GDKP), we may be able to take action against a player based off of our Scam policies. These terms must be VERY clearly stated in public chat, however, and in many instances, they are not. MS > OS is not an example of clearly defined loot rules. Also note that in the majority of these cases, we will be unable to redistribute loot or gold lost.

That policy, and all policies regarding "ninja looters," can be found here:

What is Blizzard Entertainment's stance on "ninja looting" within the World of Warcraft?
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/17761