Invincible's Reins Mislooted By GMs

#0 - Aug. 18, 2010, 5:10 a.m.
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I need some clarification and perhaps some action on this issue. It involves a former member of our guild that somehow managed to get Invincible's Reins from a GM under false pretenses. Here is the situation:

Approximately two weeks ago, we killed Lich King in 25-man on Heroic difficulty. 2x284 weapons, a Shadowfrost Shard, and Invincible's Reins drop. Our loot master, who is also our guild master (will be referred to as Person A), disconnects during loot handling and is not able to log back on for some reason. The weapons got looted before the disconnect, but the Shadowfrost Shard and Invincible's Reins were still on the Lich King's corpse when we all left. We had decided too who these items were going to. The Shadowfrost Shard was going to go to Person B and the Reins would go to Person C.

Person A contacts a GM about getting the two items left sent to their respective recipients. However, the GM sends both the items to Person A. Person A cannot use a Shadowfrost Shard since they are not a plate-wearing class nor did they want Invincible's Reins. A second ticket was submitted.

At the same time, Person C submits a ticket asking that Invincible's Reins be looted to him. The GM responding to Person C turns down their request because apparently only the master looter or the person with the looted item (both of which is still Person A) is able to get that type of request accommodated.

Person D takes up some drama with Person A about not getting to raid enough and demands Invincible's Reins or they're going to pull their spouse out who is one of our core raiders. After some conversation, Person D takes it upon themselves to submit a parallel ticket to a GM playing some sort of victim complex and requesting that Invincible's Reins be looted to him.

Today, we find out that the Shadowfrost Shard intended for Person B was successfully sent to Person B. However, the Invincible's Reins was not received by Person C and instead went to Person D who posted the deceptive ticket. Person D uses the item to get the feat and the spell and subsequently gets kicked from the guild. So the GM answering Person D's ticket saw no problem with just handing him the mount DESPITE THE FACT that a GM previously answered Person C with an opposite response.

Person A has contacted a GM one more time to try to alleviate this issue, and we were told what was told to Person C. Only the person with the looted item can make the decision of where it goes... There were no loot rules set ahead of time for this person to go back on and make claims about; It was a straight 1-25 roll for the reins and Person C won it fair and square.

So our own loot master gets blocked by a GM and so does the person this mount was intended for... but for some reason someone else was accommodated and looted Invincible's Reins without question and without the standard denial. This is a huge inconvenience and obviously a double standard.

I'd like to know why Person D was able to get Invincible's Reins without the hassle, and I, amongst others in my guild, would like to see this remedied.

I have the name of the GM in question who gave Person D the mount, so feel free to contact me in-game on any of my characters if you investigate this.

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Edit: That's cute. Topic gets locked thanks to a bunch of speculative idiots who ironically accuse my testimony of being 'speculation'. If I wanted your community college-level psych evaluations, I'd ask for them.
#7 - Aug. 18, 2010, 6:11 a.m.
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The problem with hearing a version of a story is that you are limited in that the person or persons telling you the story are doing so from their point of view and without further information you only have their word to go on.

I can assure you, Precious, that no one has tricked us into giving them the Reins. Those who who received the items that were not able to be looted by the Master Looter were the ones who were intended to receive them, as instructed by the Master Looter.

If the Master Looter believes that an error was made they are welcome to write to [email protected]. Or if they wish to post here I will be happy to provide additional clarity. :)

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Q u o t e:
Already done, just using every channel I can.


Given what you sent in to wowgm and wowgmfeedback-us, Precious, I'm am able to confirm that things did not play out how you assume they did. I would be careful who people attempt to demonize, things aren't nearly as black and white as one assumes or is told.
#12 - Aug. 18, 2010, 6:30 a.m.
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Q u o t e:
I will advise him to do that. However, let me point this out: Our GM has declared who was supposed to get the mount for the two weeks that we were in limbo with tickets. The other person who received the mount got booted from our guild. Logically, that's not the person intended to receive the mount.


Their current guild status is irrelevant. Who was listed to receive the items in the very first petition submitted by the Master Looter is all the information that is needed.
Q u o t e:

This isn't some he said/she said propaganda, so please don't brush it off with some hands-off attitude like it is. Obviously that one GM that decided to step out of bounds thought they were in the right.


I applaud that you are willing to stick up for your guild mates version of events, Precious, even to the point of defaming our In-Game Support staff. I should mention that my job, in addition to providing what advice I can to our player base, is to set the record straight when needed. I will be the first to admit that we are human, and as humans we are prone to error, but that is not what happened here and I will not allow that to go unchallenged.

This is not a brush off, nor do I have a hands-off attitude. I am saying that the events that you assume happened, did not in the way you believe they did. Because this involves another account, several actually, I will be unable to go into detail because of your request. However, I may be able to provide more information if the person who's story you are essentially quoting posts. :)
#16 - Aug. 18, 2010, 6:49 a.m.
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Q u o t e:
Because of privacy issues and such, I'm not sure a GM can tell you if another player's account is banned from the forums. Probably better to just get your GM to try to post. /waiting


Unfortunately true.