Enough is enough. ICC griefing.

#0 - Aug. 13, 2010, 3:08 a.m.

A good friend of mine has been creating GDKP ICC25 runs the past month or so on our server in order to collect shards to create Shadowmourne for his alt. THREE out of the FOUR weeks he has done it, THE BUFF HAS BEEN TURNED OFF, therefore preventing the group from continuing any further. Let me repeat. THREE OUT OF FOUR TIMES he has been griefed. We have tried soft resetting, we have tried inviting less random pugs, we have tried everything; trust me.

Countless tickets have been submitted to determine the culprit and actually get SOMETHING done after the first couple weeks. Finally, this week, he was caught and he actually admitted to turning it off in order to slow down my friend's collection of shards. It's pathetic. As I post this, he is sitting outside the instance, waiting to zone in to interrupt the soft reset, turn off the buff, whatever, as we wait for a GM response.

And right after he did it, he posted a thread advertising for the run [Removed] mocking how the buff always gets turned off and the GDKP goes no where, and that perhaps you should choose one of the other few GDKPs that go on throughout the week.

We are from a top 10 US guild and said friend is a very well-known pvper. It isn't surprising that someone would do this to him, and it isn't surprising no action has been taken.

I would just like something to be done about this, instead of waiting for a GM to respond and give some answer that's full of crap. I spoke to a GM 2 weeks ago, and they're "looking into it", all the while we're getting griefed. It's sad to think of how this guy will get some temporary ban, and just do it again. Or he'll just do it on another character. [Removed]
Initial post on the topic

Maybe blizzard should think about how to PREVENT this from happening? This griefing will not stop.

Vrakthris

#10 - Aug. 13, 2010, 4:14 a.m.

Please understand, Efylol, anyone in the raid is able to speak with those NPC's to turn off the buffs. That is currently how it is intended to work.

We are happy to look into possible harassment scenarios but simply because we have stated that we'll look into the matter does not mean that such actions are deemed a violation of our policies.

If you feel that the mechanic or our policies should be changed in some way you are welcome to post in the Suggestion forum where our Developers and policy makes can review your feedback.

Vrakthris

#15 - Aug. 13, 2010, 4:43 a.m.

Q u o t e:
So literally, nothing will be done?

Not necessarily, Ohm, but for the most part we do not become involved in the group dynamic.

Q u o t e:
once again, servers have hundreds of people. how are we supposed to know who to trust. who is whos alt and what hteir rep is?

The larger encounters, such as a 25 man, are not necessarily intended to by done by pick up groups, they are usually more geared towards guild participation. That isn't to say that it can not be done, as obviously this is done fairly regularly but we simply can't make people play to with one another. If a violation of our policies is found and reported we will investigate and take the appropriate actions.

If this behavior persists or escalates we may be able to take another look.

Vrakthris

#53 - Aug. 13, 2010, 5:16 a.m.

Q u o t e:
why do you guys think that it's so ridiculously simple to find out a person's alt? especially some guildless, recently transferred, not even on the armory, shaman?

even when we reported him, we got some completely irrelevant and unrelated response regarding soft resetting the buff, nothing regarding the persistent harassment we've been facing

The important part would be to be consistent in your reporting, Efylol. If you do this run weekly is it the same person running it? Looking into your petition history it doesn't seem you are one of those that has reported the matter so I assume it is Ohn's run.

Ohn, now that you believe you know who this person is don't invite them next week. If someone else behaves in the same way and you believe it is an alt of this person, put that in your petition. We will be happy to look into it.

I completely understand the frustration that this has caused, please remember that our job is to enforce the policies that are in place currently. The ability to turn off the buff can be done by anyone in the group and because the person was invited into the raid and they are saved to it they are able to enter the instance if they wish.

Vrakthris

#54 - Aug. 13, 2010, 5:19 a.m.

Q u o t e:
the fact is, a random raid member shouldn't have that right. the raid leader should. the buff was very poorly implemented.

That is your opinion, Efylol, and it is a popular one but that is not how the mechanic currently works. That functionality can only be changed by our Developers, not our In-Game Support staff, which is why it is recommended to post in the Suggestion forum to provide your feedback. Our Developers and Community Managers can review your feedback there.

Vrakthris

#63 - Aug. 13, 2010, 5:25 a.m.

Q u o t e:

im sure people have suggested it many times and nothing has been done

Most functionality changes take time. If that is the route that our Developers decide to go they will implement it. You can usually see what possible upcoming changes are coming to the game by visiting our Test Realm when it is up.

Vrakthris

#101 - Aug. 13, 2010, 6:58 a.m.

I'm afraid that this thread may soon stop being a productive and civil discussion so I will be preemptively locking it.

Thank you all.