#122 - July 15, 2010, 5:30 a.m.
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I eagerly await seeing how this will be accomplished. Just to see how you choose to make up for the damage. More baked into the abilities, perhaps?
The mage trees have +damage as passives. Imagine the Two-Handed Weapon Specialization from Arms is +28% to damage with two-handed weapons or whatever it needs to be to make up for losing talents.
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I'm more worried about warriors losing talents like piecing howl, tactical mastery, weapon mastery and to a lesser extent iron will. I don't see how arms is going to be viable in any form of pvp without those talents.
More on Piercing Howl in a sec. Tactical Mastery is now baked into Stance Mastery (so you retain 25 rage when swapping). We are getting rid of a lot of the "being CC'd doesn't really counter you" talents, because we think they have led to classes not having weaknesses. The fact that instant casts are so important in PvP we think is a direct result from mobility being so important which is a direct result of nobody being controlled. We just need to chill all of that stuff out. If CCs are too potent, we want to nerf the CCs, not give everyone "CCs are impotent" talents.
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From a pvp standpoint, the biggest loss is piercing howl. Fury has never really been a pvp spec outside of arms sucking or it being grossly overpowered damage wise.
Well, we'd like for Fury to be usable in PvP and there is a certain attraction to Arms having Juggernaut and Bladestorm, but Fury having Piercing Howl. As it is now, it's easy to make a hybrid build that scoops up the best of both talent trees. Rather than having Fury play differently than Arms, you just have Arms with the best of Fury.
That aside, we're not sure yet how we're going to handle Piercing Howl. One option is to put it in the second tier, the same way we did with Lichborne for DKs. My fear is that opening that door wider leads to a future full of "what is wrong with my class" manifestos from other classes that start off with bullet number one as"Lack of a 6 point talent." Other options include making it a class-wide ability.
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Welcome to just about every class.
Yes. Every class lost "PvP isn't so hard on me" talents and every class lost passive damage.
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Anyone who has the ability to view topics in their entirety knows that Warriors aren't the only classes losing what may seem to be enormously useful and necessary tools in certain specs or setups, and that people are massively overreacting in most cases. You never actually made a response to my original point, but obviously if you're going to keep turning on and off ignore (if you even did like you said you would, since I'm apparently trolling hardcore) to keep up the discussion, I guess it doesn't matter to you.
It's a time honored tradition in these forums to try and shout down players who "don't get it" because they're not of the same class as the OP or perhaps are accused of actively campaigning for nerfs for their enemies. Just remember that one of these reasons we promote these discussions in cross-class forums is to avoid the echo-chamber effect where everyone just gives each other megadittos for campaigning for buffs for their class. If you're in these forums, you need to defend your arguments against players of other classes who disagree with you. That doesn't mean you need to endure trolls or suffer fools, but it does mean it's not appropriate to just shut someone down or tune them out because they disagree.
That said, let's not turn this thread into one on forum etiquette please, but do keep it in mind.
