Love this game but the community..

#0 - June 24, 2010, 12:35 p.m.

Yes this is another thread complaining about the community. :/

So i just finished a terrible Old Kingdom run. We didn't wipe at all and had a few deaths, by terrible i mean the tank and mage in the group. The group seemed fine at first and we had few problems, then i noticed that the tank wasn't observant with ignoring mobs that would start to wail on the healer. Naturally id pull them off and try to keep said healer alive, tank doesn't say anything and keeps doing this the entire run. When we get to the flesh giants ( that fear) one of them fears me into the second one, which the tank responds "pull off me again and im letting you die" I respond nicely that i was feared into him, but the tank promptly ignores me. We continue to clear the packs that keep up Prince Taldaram and the tank decides to not generate any threat on one of the mobs and i aggro and die.... i mean really are people this self righteous and flat out rude? I make it known that, that was rude and low. Of course im ignored.

We precede to clear the groups before Jedoga and the mage accidentally pulls an extra pack and dies. He immediately responds by telling the healer that he/she is quite possibly the worst healer he has seen and asks if he/she is female and tells us all that male players are better then females. These kind of ppl disgust me, depresses me since it shows that not even in a game where the goal is to relax and have fun, people are just as cruel and heartless as in the real world..

I know this behavior has been around in vanilla and in BC but honestly it seems to be more virulent and frequent. I will forever never understand how people can and will act like this to other humans. Perhaps i should consider quitting despite enjoying the game and maybe the expansion coming up.

Nethaera

#102 - June 24, 2010, 4:22 p.m.

My input? The community is amazing. I love it. That said, bad impressions often last longer than good ones. There are always people looking to stir up things or cause some trouble, but I would strongly advise you not to let these types of experiences swallow up all the other good ones you've had or could have in the future.

Nethaera

#122 - June 24, 2010, 5:05 p.m.

Q u o t e:

I'd say that 'amazing' is a gross exaggeration. .

I'd say it's an understatement myself. I've seen a lot of things and met a lot of people over the years. Yes, it is an amazing community of people. Take a look at the 5 and 15 year anniversary photos. Take a look at all the fan art. Look at the fansites or listen to the podcasts. Check out some of the WoW Stories, the comics, the craft projects people make, the cakes and cookies they've baked, the machinima that has been made. Check out all of the guilds that exist and the challenges they've taken on. And then there are all the things you don't see, because people don't generally go around saying, "I did x, y, z nice things for people today."

I've gotten hugs at BlizzCon from these people and watched the joy that has been shown as they met up with friends they've never met before, or reunited with ones they hadn't seen in awhile and much much more.

I get tired of seeing the community as a whole get a bad rap because of a few inconsiderate people who haven't learned how to play nice with others. It happens, but those people are not the entirety of the community and even those people can be amazing at times when they choose to be.

You're welcome to disagree and say what you want about my perception, but keep in mind, I've seen the best and the worst of it all, and I still weigh things on the good side.

Nethaera

#139 - June 24, 2010, 5:24 p.m.

Q u o t e:

it is very easy to end up frustrated and jaded.

Only if you let yourself become frustrated and jaded. I absolutely have my "Off" days where I just don't want to talk to anyone or help or have had "bad" experiences. But I force myself to take a step back and think about whether or not I want that to really affect me or not. Usually the answer is, "No way. This is my time and my fun." I take ownership of that.

I remember when the voice chat first went in and I had it on and was in a Battleground. I had one of those gem moments many females have had in which a guy went, "whoa, is that a little boy or a chick?" They went on to start attempting to make more comments to draw me out and get me fired up. It didn't work well and I went about my business. I was there for my time with my friends and guildmates and wasn't going to let someone who didn't know me or what I was about get under my skin just because they couldn't control their own self.

I've also had people help me on alts on the complete opposite end of the spectrum where they ran me and a couple others through Shadowfang Keep not because they needed anything but because they wanted to.

I could post point and counterpoint of experiences I've had over the past 6 years from general frustrations to "wow amazing" and I will run out of the frustrations before I run out of the great.

Nethaera

#161 - June 24, 2010, 5:43 p.m.

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Almost 6 years playing this game and yes they are the majority by far. Wasn't always this way, but many decent people left to be replaced by classless oafs. The asshats tend to blur into one while I remember the good ones and set them aside. In the past two years, I can count how many good people I've run across in this game on one hand. I've seen examples in this expansion of formerly decent people turned into elitist players that say things like "Anyone who can't kill LK should go kill themselves." Yes, those are quality individuals.

As for trolling in trade and on the forums, you're right that it's usually the same few.

The thing about being a mirror is that you reflect what's around you.

Nethaera

#190 - June 24, 2010, 6:17 p.m.

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Lol amazing community? have you ever played on a PvP server?

Actually since day one. ;) It's fun.

Nethaera

#378 - June 24, 2010, 10:15 p.m.

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Two weeks ago today, my Tree hit level 80. I did what I was supposed to do - had crafted items ready for him, farmed Heroics for emblems.

Thusly, a few days after dinging, with a 4200 GS or thereabouts, he found himself getting H FoS for the daily. He healed his little heart out. He Wild Growth-ded and Swiftmended and Nourished up a storm. But, alas, he still lost DPS to trash mobs.

I apologized and offered to drop group so they could replace me.

I was refused. Refused! "You're doing fine", they said. "You're doing fine"?! Can you imagine the nerve?!

The 5800 GS Shaman whispered me and said he would help offheal.

Then - and get this! - after we killed the Devourer with no wipes or further deaths on behalf of the party, the Shaman whispered my Druid and said, "Awesome job!" What kind of a jerk says, "Awesome job!"?

Man, the community in this game . . . One of these days - POW! Right to the kisser.

I would like to express how sorry I am that you've had to put up with this behavior. Obviously, these people don't understand that they've already been labeled as "awful" people by default for being a part of the World of Warcraft community. I'm sure we can break them down eventually to stop their shenanigans! (Seriously, great story. :) )

Also, I don't mind people attempting to say "you're blue you have to say "x"", but to attempt to say I'm being fake or anything else is incredibly dismissive and paramount to accusing me of lying. I don't particularly appreciate that. I can assure you, my sentiments are genuine as are my experiences in all aspects of the game over the years. I've had my high and my low points both and yes, I am fortunate to get the exposure I do to a wide variety of community members. However, that exposure also is to the "worst" behaviors as well and, the good still vastly outweighs the negative. Just like when people ask how I can do my job with all of the negativity, I respond that it just takes one, "Great job!" to counteract every last bit of it. I also have this strange affliction by which I genuinely LIKE people. That in mind, I'm far more grounded in many realities than I'm being given credit for, but you can't know how much because you don't know me that well. That's OK.

A community is what every individual makes of it and if you're looking at everything through yellowed lenses (to counter the rose tinted glass silliness) then it's not going to look all that pretty to you.

Nethaera

#384 - June 24, 2010, 10:38 p.m.

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Sorry... but you just admitted that you weigh "good" more heavily than "bad". This means you could be constantly bombarded with jerks, and the one good person you meet counteracts it all. I'm afraid you can't be a reliable judge of the overall community.

Wow... you're really sick! Here, this might help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd4tugPM83c

No, I admitted that my job is actually made easier by weighing the good remarks more heavily than the negatives. You see, on the forums, people have a tendency to post more about the things they are unhappy with than the things they are happy with. So understanding this, that one good remark or "thank you" must be weighted more heavily to symbolize all those others who are silently happy and are rare to post.

Nethaera

#388 - June 24, 2010, 10:44 p.m.

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EDIT: also the more i read overall, the more i feel slightly better and more optimistic... i blame the warmth of Neth's candle!! :3

/hug

The best part of being a community, is being able to lift each other up when things start dragging you down.

Nethaera

#395 - June 24, 2010, 11:05 p.m.

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to snowfox and neth, have either one of you actually played another MMO?

Many as well as been a part of FPS and RTS communities. As I said, I can assure you, my own perceptions are very well grounded. I've both done things with a guild (multiple and different types) and done things without. I've had chat channels on and off depending on my mood. There are only so many ways I can tell you, that I have done and been a part of it all and if you choose not to believe it, that's fine, I just don't want to keep repeating it.