#34 - June 12, 2010, 7:37 p.m.
Q u o t e:
A looting dispute occurs when a player loots an item for which he or she is eligible, but in doing so, goes against social looting practices (Main Spec > Off Spec, upgrades only, etc). While some looting disputes may be a social faux pas and can tarnish a player's reputation, they are not a violation of any in-game rule.
Taking from: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=17761
Our policy does in fact say this. Unfortunately, that portion of the policy is ultimately irrelevant to the action you received.
Here is the relevant part:
Q u o t e:
Okay, so scamming is against the rules…what exactly is a scam?
In terms of loot, making and then breaking a clear in-game agreement * on the way loot will be distributed by a Master Looter can be considered a scam. Unfortunately, some players will make loot agreements they have no intention of keeping to get players to join a dungeon or raid group. In these situations, players who disregard the original agreement and then take (or give away) loot in a different way are potentially violating our Scam Policy. If you believe you have been scammed, please contact In-Game Support.
Please note that if In-Game Support is able to determine a scam has taken place after a clear in-game loot distribution agreement is made, any items involved may be removed from their current owners. In cases where a "rightful" owner can be proven, these items may also be transferred; however, loot will be left unassigned if a "rightful" owner cannot be identified. Due to the privacy associated with these investigations, In-Game Support will be unable to release details regarding an investigation's findings, actions taken, or its final outcome.
*A clear in-game agreement indicates that loot rules are fully defined. Partial agreements that do that wholly explain how loot will be distributed may prevent In-Game Support from assisting. If using Master Looter, please be sure to clarify with your raid group whether or not any items are reserved, what (if any) restrictions will be placed on rolls based on class specializations, and how winners of open rolls will be selected.
As a loot agreement did exist, viewing the situation as simply a looting dispute would be incongruous.
Q u o t e:
So mainly not breaking any rules, they didn't even get to roll so its not scamming because I didn't take it from someone who won.
In the case of the Whispering Fang Skull, this is incorrect. Simply because your actions prevented the raid group from rolling on a specific item—as agreed to— does not mean that the loot agreement you established was somehow fulfilled. That's one heck of a logical fallacy, particularly given that the loot agreement specified that rolls would be held for Whispering Fanged Skull. =/
Q u o t e:
Obviously if I wanted DBW I wouldn't state loot rules. So I didn't state loot rules.
First, there's actually
two items in question here: Whispering Fanged Skull and Deathbringer's Will. For Whispering Fanged Skull, it appears you encouraged the raid group to "[not] worry" because "rolls for [the] trinket will be with Gunships." For Deathbringer's Will, it appears you placed only Nieblung on reserve and then had all players roll for remaining items.
Unfortunately we also uncovered chat evidence that clearly showed your intent to claim both items without regard for the raid group. This, in addition to the loot rules you established, qualified your actions as loot scams. =/
If you would like to dispute the penalty received, however, you are most certainly welcome to email
[email protected]. We'll be happy to review the matter again and take into consideration any evidence you provide. Please be as thorough as possible in your dispute, as the more information we have, the better we can understand your concerns. :)
