A question about Master Loot Ninjas

#0 - June 10, 2010, 5:39 p.m.

So Blizzard I have a question in regards to Master Looters. During a recent pug 25 man an item dropped and the RL said "Roll for X item" and I and another person rolled for the item. I rolled a higher number and should of got the item. However the RL decided to give the item for his guildmate instead even tho that person rolled a lower number.

Now my question is if I petition in-game to get the item back from a "GM" will I get the item returned to me? The way I see it it sort of falls under a Verbal Agreement that was broken in the same way a Trade Verbal Agreement can be broken. He proposed a roll to see who wins the item, I won and he broke that Agreement for a Guild Member.

I understand you all have a lot to deal with in Irvine with the 3 new gated buildings,your own gym, basketball courts, game rooms, catered meals and sweedish messages or whatever other ridiculous crap you have to distract you from the issues of players but I'll appreciate any response from a Blue I get. IF a Blue actually exists anymore.

You do still have GMs working there right because I seem to just get "Generic Response" from my in-game petitions even when I'm in-game.. That's not completely insulting or anything.

Malkorix

#18 - June 10, 2010, 8:05 p.m.

Q u o t e:
Possibly that could be seen as a Scam if the Master Looter had clearly stated rules and broke those.

Indeed, that could be the case. The best method to educate yourself about how we view and investigate these issues is by reading out updated policy on the subject here:

Everybody Loots: Group Gear and You
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401854554&sid=1

Q u o t e:
If you call it "ninja looting", Blizzard won't investigate it. The Master Looter, by the rules of the game, had the full authority to decide who the loot went to - regardless of emotes. And /roll or /random are just that - emotes. Once he clicks on a name, that person is the winner of the item.

If you ask for a Scam investigation, now Blizzard might take a look.

Actually, I should clarify this a bit. While we do not recognize 'ninja looting', we won't ignore a legitimate investigation request if the situation appears to be a scam, even if the words 'ninja looting' are included in the petition. Likewise, we won't treat a situation which isn't a scam as a scam because the words are in the petition.

Also, while /roll is indeed an emote, in the context of established loot rules it can be a very powerful emote.

Q u o t e:
If Blizzard decides a Scam took place, the Master Looter will face an account action and the loot will be removed from the recipient. Whether or not it is then given to someone else depends on whether Blizzard feels a winner was clear, and is not guaranteed. Blizzard isn't arbitrating loot disputes. They're working to discourage deliberate Scams.

Moving forward, when you join a raid, take the time to look at the Loot Method selected and ask the Raid Leader / Master Looter to clearly define how loot will be distributed. Then, before the first pull happens, decide whether you trust that player to live up to their agreement and whether you can accept that if they don't, loot that you want may not go to you. Report the Scams, but realize that accepting Master Looter means YOU accepted that one person had full authority to decide who would get the loot.

This is well said and wholly accurate.

Malkorix

#23 - June 11, 2010, 1:04 a.m.

Q u o t e:
How about in a situation where, for example someone rolls for an item twice and the master looter mistakenly gives an item to the wrong person, and this person ignores the master looters' request to give it to the right person? would a gm get involved in that situation?

Potentially. It rather depends on whether the 'mistake' was intentional or not - but the ultimate answer rests in the results of an investigation.