Is this theft and ticketable?

#0 - Feb. 10, 2010, 6:42 a.m.

My guild was formed about 3 weeks ago, and we're recruiting some 80's for raids and stuff on the Trade chat. I'm an Officer - not the GM.

We recruited this one Warrior, who was cool and all. He didn't talk much, which is fine since I know not everyone is talkative.

Anyway, today when I login, I notice that he left the guild. Which was fine.

What isn't fine is that before he left, he took everything possible out of the GB that he could sell that he got his hands on. He basically joined the guild, stole the items, and then left.

I'm wondering if this is in fact ticketable (I have a ticket open but I can easily abandon it) or if it isn't.

The reason that it is (to me) is that he joined the guild for the sole intention of stealing everything he can out of the tabs and then leaving, basically making him a thief.

The reason that it isn't (to me) is that the GM sets the bank withdrawal limits and therefore it is the GM's responsibility for the withdrawal limits.

Can someone help me? :) Thank you!

Malkorix

#19 - Feb. 10, 2010, 6:25 p.m.

Q u o t e:
It IS theft.

Blizzard's stance is that just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you should.

Just because you have access to the guild bank, doesn't mean you're allowed to take whatever you want whenever you want.

Get the guild leader to report it. If the guild leader doesn't come on, then you as an officer may report it.

This kind of guild bank withdrawal and gquit might be considered a violation of our policies, yes. Each case of this nature is examined individually, however, and is considered very carefully.

While there are no concrete rules governing these exchanges, we are willing to investigate; particularly in cases where it seems that substantial losses have been sustained by the guild in question. If the player in question was limited to a few stacks and took what he could, though, that may be a different matter.

As one of the other posters stated, it is best to confer guild bank privileges only upon those that you trust. Either way, I'm glad that you submitted an in-game petition to allow our staff the opportunity to consider the situation. Naturally, no restoration is ever guaranteed, and our staff will be unable to reveal the actions taken against another player due to our privacy policies.

Q u o t e:
I think that when blizzard makes things like this actionable then they run the risk of guilds and guild leaders screwing players over to take things out of the guild bank legally and say theres a fight within the guild and that players leaves, the guild leader says he took items and left. .. and boom. . actionable.

Part of the purpose of a thorough investigation is to ensure that a scenario like the one you've mentioned doesn't play out.

Malkorix

#23 - Feb. 10, 2010, 6:30 p.m.

Q u o t e:

This is correct. The intent of the player is the determining factor in this case, and someone who obviously just joined the guild to steal their bank has a malicious intent and can be actioned under the current policy.

Intent can be difficult to prove. Without going into detail, many factors are considered, but material issues take precedence over more nebulous factors such as intent.

Suffice to say that we realize how important guilds are to the health of our player community, and activities which can be injurious to the continued 'health' of a guild, or have a substantial impact on the fun of other players may prompt our intervention.