So I'm locked out of LFG because of my gear

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So I dont have utter uber gear but with the new LFG system I'm locked out of instances in LFG because bliz doesnt like my gear.

I've dont H-TOC like 12 times yet now I cannot queue up for LFG.

The system should not be locking you out of all Heroic dungeons. Is this the case?

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Yes you can it's a serpate tool and it's under the raid tab.

I believe he/she was speaking for the purposes of this discussion. The Dungeon Finder will place locks on dungeons to which you have not been attuned, or for which you're not adequately geared. This does not apply to raids.

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No system should be locking anyone out over gear period. It's either bugged or the OP did something wrong.

The Dungeon Finder does lock players out of certain Heroic dungeons depending on their gear. It is important to note though that the system is fairly forgiving. There are circumstances however where, say, a player in dungeon or questing blues or greens will be unable to use the Dungeon Finder to queue for Heroic Trial of the Champion, Forge of Souls, Pit of Saron, or Halls of Reflection. It is recommended that appropriately-geared players run these Heroic dungeons, which is why this lock was put in place. A player can, however, still form a group on his or her realm using the global Looking For Group channel and manually porting into the instance, so you're not absolutely prevented from running these dungeons (unless attunements are required).

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Does the lock show up on the tool. Because I currently cannot cure for Heroic Halls of Reflection even though I have done the previous two instances and there is no lock on the check-mark. If I have to low of gear score then something is wrong as I did the previous two instance as the healer with 0 wipes. I also have gear that surpasses any heroic.

Glitch or working as intended

There should be a lock icon that appears. You can read more about it here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627535173&sid=1&pageNo=1#1

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Dungeon Requirements

All dungeons possess a minimum and maximum level range. These ranges are displayed within the Dungeon Finder window just to the right of each dungeon’s name. If your level is too high or low for a specific dungeon, it will not populate as an option when you switch to the “Specific Dungeons” option from the drop-down menu.

Some dungeons also require attunement to enter, often in the form of a key or quest, and many of the more difficult dungeons (like Wrath of the Lich King Heroics) possess a minimum gear requirement. If you meet the level requirements of a particular dungeon, but not the additional requirements, a lock icon will replace the check box next to the dungeon’s name. To see which additional requirements were not met, simply hover over the lock icon; a window noting that “You may not queue for this dungeon” will appear and any missing requirement(s) will be listed below.
This icon will also appear for group leaders if a group member does not meet all dungeon requirements (level, gear, and attunement), and the list of missing requirements will also specify to which group member they apply.

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So, in other words, your system locks someone at my gear level out of H ToC. Am I reading this correctly?

I don't know the exact threshold, but after looking at your gear that's a possibility. I'd suggest using the Random Heroic option until you're able to acquire a few more pieces of gear, or finding a pre-formed party on your realm without using the Dungeon Finder.

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Great. So you've locked out nubs from heroics that could be 2, 3 or 4 manned without them anyways (ie 1 clueless in greens does not a failed heroic make), but left them free to que up for raids? /facepalm

You don't queue up for raids though. Whether or not an under-geared person makes it into a raid is entirely up to the discretion of the raid leader. Players cannot see who they're grouping with when running with pick-up groups via the Dungeon Finder, so the system attempts to loosely match players according to gear. It doesn't assume that a group of four players with a given acceptable range of gear for a given dungeon wants to carry someone that should be running other Heroic dungeons first.

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I launched the LFG Tool and was looking to get in an H-TOC group and right next to the TOC option there is a lock symbol next to it and says my gear isnt high enough. So I'm unable to join.

I'd strongly suggest using the Random Heroic option then. You'll get gear and extra emblems for doing so, and that will quickly get you geared enough to run Heroic Trial of the Champion and the three wings of The Frozen Halls.

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I love how the argument that "WoW is ultimately a social game" gets thrown around a lot when people ask for more and better content and/or gear to be delivered to people who do not enjoy grouping at all with other players, yet now Blizzard tries to please the gearscore crowd by segregating their own player base through the very tools that were supposed to help them find groups.

Exclude H-ToC from the filter. It is a ridiculously easy instance, and people shouldn't be forced to farm heroics like mad or run Naxxramas to be "good enough" to queue up for it.

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So what was the point of making the lfg do the same things groups already do? If you miss any time of wow your gear and achievements are out of date and you dont get taken anyway. Only time this game is worth playing is right after an expansion.

I think your points rely far too much on the assumption that this gear check is extremely stringent and restrictive. It's not.

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I'm sorry but that is a jerk response. I've ran Heroic instance many times a day and now I get a jerk bliz employee who comes on and tells me to guess what?? Yep run more damn instances.

I'm only providing you advice on how to quickly improve your gear level and enjoy using the Dungeon Finder for the more difficult Heroic dungeons. This type of tone is not tolerated on the forums, regardless of whether or not you disagree with the system being discussed.

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So you mean bear tanks whos best trinket comes from BC until ULD are going to get told to GTFO then?
Who thought this system up and where can I find a clear line of sight to the back of their skull? /slap

Are they told that? If you don't know and haven't experienced this yourself, perhaps you should refrain from making idle threats.

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Hopefully this isn't too off-topic, since i don't want to create a whole new thread for this, cluttering the first page more than it already is.

Something i'd like to know is, with the Dungeon finder doing a gear check, which i'm sure it's very forgiving, what gear does it check, and when?

Can I put my RP Fishing set on and sign up? or would that lower my GS too much to sign up? what if i want to sign up as a healer, but then go do some dailies as enhance, but my enhance gear wouldn't meet the requirements, whereas my resto gear would?

At what point is the gear-check done?

Similar to the gear checks in Battlegrounds, the system will check all of the gear in your inventory.

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Just curious, do blues get paid extra for working here patch nights, or is it whoever pulls the short straw?

I just got free pizza. ^.^

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So basically to me this seems like a way of punishing people who don't play the game that much. You get gear by putting in time. If you don't put in this time you can't get gear and NOW you do not have access to as much end game stuff. So if you do not play the game that often you are being penalized by not having the same opportunities as those who do. I thought this game was about catering to pretty much everyone in an environment that was friendly to everyone and now people are being excluded. I could understand when players locked people out on gear because people are mean like that, but when the company turns on its more casual customers, who are paying as much as everyone else, it seems ridiculous and unfair to me. It is like paying for less of a game just because you don't spend as much time on the game.

You have to ignore a great deal of facts to come to this conclusion. You have a multitude of Heroic dungeons to choose from if you're not geared enough for Heroic Trial of the Champion or The Frozen Halls. Not only will you be getting upgrades in all of these Heroic dungeons, you'll also be getting a good deal of Emblems of Triumph allowing you the ability to purchase ilevel 232 and 245 gear. Even the most casual of players should have no trouble unlocking the more difficult Heroics within a matter of days.