All the QQ threads and GC

#0 - Nov. 9, 2009, 11:15 p.m.
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We still are not convinced that warrior tanks are operating at some huge deficit compared to other tanks. There are going to be situations where one or the other classes are going to feel easier as tanks, just because the abilities and mechanics are still different despite all of our homogenization (and we really don't want to homogenize any more).

I think there are some quality of life issues we can improve for warriors. Heroic Strike is definitely one of them. It does its job in letting you convert excess rage to threat without consuming a global cooldown, but it requires a lot of extra button pushes. It is something we are discussing.

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Protection - very happy with the tree overall. One of our best success stories in LK I think. Still a viable tank, but with some more interesting abilities and actually a better PvP presence. Critical Block and Damage Shield may present scaling problems down the road.

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Nothing is wrong with asking those questions. I would probably ask them myself of another player. But that isn't what we're here to do. It gets into those "Prove to us you can cook" issues when the reason we post is to ask "Do you like the food?" Maybe that distinction is too subtle, but I'm not sure how else to explain it. We need to be able to make the changes we think are right for the game in order for the game to be good. We do not think having to get community buy-off on every change is a reasonable way to do that, and all of these "prove the change is necessary" issues are essentially your demanding that we justify all changes with you. Essentially we have to ask permission to make the change. It's not going to work well like that.

Saying "We think things are close enough" DOES address your concerns. It just doesn't provide the specific change (typically a buff to your class or a nerf to the other guy) that you're looking for.

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I’m not sure that statement is accurate, but here is the problem. There are A LOT of warrior tanks. They are tanking every fight in Ulduar. If warriors were too low and if we buffed them, I don’t see how that would increase the numbers on the other tanks. I don’t think the conclusion to be drawn is that warriors are overpowered. I think the conclusion to be drawn is that warriors were the traditional tank and lot of established guilds have established MTs who see no reason to reroll the FotM. It’s not actually a goal to have 25% of each tank in Ulduar, but is also seems strange to buff the most popular tank. Won’t that just make them more popular? Again, don’t misinterpret that as GC sez suck it up warriors. It is something we have to keep in mind, however.


I don't think that people are oblivious to the differences between tanks. Yes, pallies are (or at least seem) OP. Does that mean that they are "better?" Maybe. A lot can determine that. Like gear, experience and skill. Do you HAVE to be better to do your job and do it well. Not at all. Again... Everyone knows. But are you unable to tank a non-specific, Patchwerk-type fight on some "hard-mode" because of it? And the answer to that is no. Blizzard, as always, will address an issue when it becomes an ISSUE. Not "I don't like this." I agree that there is a discrepancy. I do not think it's large enough to impede anyone though and making thread after thread because you want to PROVE it does nothing. We already know.
#11 - Nov. 10, 2009, 4:21 a.m.
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Ghostcrawler once said that Warriors don't use Shield Slam that often.

.....He clearly has no idea what he's talking about.


Uh, I think this may turn into an epic thread and all, but I don't think I would have said that.
#133 - Nov. 11, 2009, 1:22 a.m.
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We want Prot warriors to do decent damage in PvE. We don't want them to do as good damage as actual dps specs -- there needs to be a trade-off for such high survivability. This means we need threat multipliers or you won't be able to actually hold aggro. It's okay if Shield Slam can make big (yet not absurd) numbers, since you don't Shield Slam all that much.


Okay, apparently I needed to define "all that much." Shield Slam is a rotational move, not a situational one (you generally don't save it). But you can't really spam it. I'm sure you would if you could, because it's awesome, but you can't because of that cute little cooldown. Shield Slam hits hard and does a lot of threat, but it's not Devastate nor Heroic Strike. Therefore it's okay for it to hit pretty hard because you probably (to pull a number out of thin air) Devastate twice as often and Heroic Strike four times as often.

The context was that it's a relatively safe place to buff Prot warrior dps (though I think we ended up buffing Devastate too since this quote.)

How this turned into "Ha ha GC says warriors don't SS" is a bit of a shrug moment, so /shrug.