Elemental nerf in 3.3 - Blue Tracker

#0 - Oct. 26, 2009, 10:01 p.m.

Edit 12/8/09:
And today this nerf hits, instead of "2. The change should have very small if any PvE implications. " we are losing 1/2 of the LvB bonus damage and it's being converted to a Dot.

Please review Elemental DPS while using ToW (not when we are using fire dps totems, then we are fine).

Instead of nerfs, we need our Buff Tax reduced.
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Q u o t e:
Shaman Tier-9 4-Piece Set Bonus (Elemental): This set bonus now places a damage-over-time effect on the target when Lava Burst deals damage instead of increasing the size of the Lava Burst.

Changing our damage bonus to a DoT will result in a nerf. When the mob dies, the DoT damage will be clipped, damage will be reduced.

Is this a big nerf, probably not, but what Elemental needs right now is a buff, not a nerf.

I know this is needed to reduce burst in PvP, but please don't gimp our weak PvE spec for the sake of PvP.

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Edit: This thread really is about how Elemental needs a Buff, not a nerf, yes I know this is a minor nerf, stop harping on that. Yes I know it was done for PvP reason, stop harping on that.

Possible buffs to discuss:
1) T10 bonus are terribad
2) DP > ToW
3) ToW precludes the use of fire dps totems
4) No ranged aoe for a ranged caster
5) many other items......

Ghostcrawler

#14 - Oct. 26, 2009, 10:38 p.m.

1. The main issue was shaman using the PvE set bonus in Arenas. We don't want to lock PvE gear out at the door, but we want it to always feel like a poor man's alternative to the PvP gear.

2. The change should have very small if any PvE implications.

3. You should be upgrading to the Icecrown tier of gear "soon," which is why we made the change now.

4. We have some other ideas we're exploring to make PvE gear in PvP less attractive.

5. We are still evaluating the Elemental T10 set bonuses, especially the 2 piece.

Ghostcrawler

#29 - Oct. 26, 2009, 11:33 p.m.

Q u o t e:
I don't really think set bonuses are the only problem here. In higher rated arena matches I often see a broad spectrum of classes (though rogues, warlocks, and mages especially) who don't even use PVP gear, they just use PVE gear and rely on crowd control for damage mitigation.

This thread feels to me more like an Elemental topic than a PvP gear topic, so I'll respect that direction. However, just to clarify, shaman are not the only one who like to wear PvE gear in PvP. Rogues used to do it more than they do now. Mages do it a lot and their looking at the T10 mage bonus hungrily was one of the things that prompted us to look at the whole situation of PvE set bonuses in PvP again.