Resil... A New Tier Will Fix It.

#0 - Aug. 17, 2009, 7:15 p.m.

Earlier this year, I asked this question:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14498162017&sid=1#7
Shouldn't raid achievements be obtainable in the tier in which they were released rather than one to two tiers later?

And Bornakk replied that all achievements should be obtainable using the gear available to them when they are released.

Then a couple days ago, Blizzard announced that FoK was getting a fairly hefty nerf and when asked about encounters that relied on it, Ghostcaller replied:
It's possible some select fights, notably Yogg 0, may be too difficult without the interrupt, but the encounter designers are prepared to make changes accordingly, and everyone will have access to better gear in the new raid tier anyway.

Ok, fine, Blizzard is prepared to make changes to Yogg+0 (and possibly other fights) but it's the second part of GC's statement that bugs me a bit. The "everyone will have access to better gear in the new raid tier anyway" seems to be in contradiction with the answer I got earlier.

So let's say that in a few weeks when 3.2.2 lands, some guilds are still able to beat Yogg+0 (a fight which I can say is far from easy). Is it because the encounter is still doable without FoK? Is it because those guilds now have some T9? Did Blizzard keep FoK in it's current form for so long so that they didn't have to change it or Yogg at all? The new tier of gear makes it all better? Does it matter?

Ghostcrawler

#1 - Aug. 17, 2009, 10:49 p.m.

I don't think those two concepts are at odds.

The first concept is that achievements should be attainable with existing gear. This does not mean they will necessarily be easy, and in fact very few players have been able to beat Yogg 0.

The second concept is that as you get better gear, those challenges will become easier for you.

Also, I don't always read subjects, but yours is a tad misleading. :)

Ghostcrawler

#11 - Aug. 18, 2009, 12:18 a.m.

Q u o t e:
what she is saying is that you GC used the fact that a new tier on content will be one of the factors that make yogg 0 possible(not easier but merely possible) without fok, which seems at odds with being able to do it without using that new tier of content.

I was saying that I predict we'll nerf Yogg 0 to account for the FoK change. However, even if you never had a rogue doing interrupts, that fight is likely to get easier for everyone as you procure more Coliseum gear.

Yogg 0 is possible today, but very challenging. Is it possible without FoK interrupts? I honestly don't know. My guess is probably, but even more challenging. Some of that challenge will be offset with new gear.

I can't imagine there are too many guilds out there who want to try and complete Yogg 0 by only using Ulduar gear who have not already done so. We still try and make achievements that are viable currently -- we would not make an achievement to solo Yogg at this point in time for example.

This feels like a technicality to me.