Ashes of Al'ar ninja'd- GM pulls a fast one!

#0 - Aug. 16, 2009, 3:59 a.m.

Update- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18315574427&sid=1&pageNo=1
You'll love it, please explain the difference between that situation and mine.
This is Ayria on the server Vashj.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110300247&sid=1&pageNo=1 = original post.

So heres the story-
3 months ago I hear about a new title. "____ the Insane" Being me, I decide that I want this title. I drop enchanting, pick up engineering, and start stocking up on librams and stuff. Then I decide I want to be Ayria the Insane. Riding a phoenix mount. So I check out the drop rate on that baby and wow. Now I know why it's so rare. I get a bunch of friends, and strangers from trade and raid TK. Surprise surprise, no mount. This goes on for quite a while. Every reset, every week, I set up a raid and teach them the fight. About 1 month ago I made the fascinating revelation that WoW is only a game. It was my thing now sure, but I didn't see myself playing in 10 years. It takes 25 years with average luck to get this mount, assuming you raid every reset with 24 other random people, none of which who have it. Then, to my utter amazement, it dropped. Last night. I dallied out the other loot, as master looter. Then we rolled for it. I lost the roll. None of my friends won the roll. Someone I didn't even know had won it. What would you have done?

20 minutes later I'm sitting in dal on my new mount with the swears and insults flying across trade chat. For those of you that play on a large server this might be somewhat hard to understand, but we play on a very low pop server. This was the most interesting thing to happen in ages. I got kicked from my guild, no surprise there. What did surprise me was the constant stream of /hug, /love, even a few "Will you marry me"s.

As you can imagine the winner of the roll was upset. He got together other members of the raid who were just as upset and did the only thing they could. They ticketed a GM. Now as it pends, I receive a lot of tells asking me if I ninja'd the mount. After I replied yes, I either got insulted or a "I would of done it too". Most of the time I got both. Let fast forward to the interesting bit.

I go afk and eat dinner. When I come back i'm logged out. I try to log in, and for the first time in my 3 years playing this game I see a "Your account has been banned" or something along those lines. I check my email. Guess what!

Account has been banned for 48 hours.
Spell removed- Ashes of Al'ar
Achievement removed- Ashes of Al'ar

If enough people seem interested and reply I'll post the email and my reply.

Heres a quote taken from blizz themselves.

-I grouped with a "ninja-looter," can I get the item that I am entitled to returned? Players that loot an item out of turn or against the group's wishes do not fit in the criteria of a scammer, and will not be investigated by the GM Staff.

Found on http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20459

So, I want your voices. Should I lose the mount? Does blizz need to update there site? Should all the hundreds of you who have lost something to a ninja looter get it back? Speak up.

Auryk

#165 - Aug. 16, 2009, 6:14 a.m.

First things fist, Notayria. Please do not come to the forums petitioning a cause. As stated by Nethaera in the Forum Guidelines: (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=82238231&sid=1):

Petition posts are frowned on

This post is none other than a petition, in its own right, and has no business being here. As stated in that e-mail you received,” For any concerns or disputes on this matter, please E-Mail [email protected] and our Account Administration team will be happy to assist you. Account Administration is the only option you have to dispute this matter, and you seem to have an e-mail in to them. This post does not serve to help you in your cause, and truly is unnecessary.

Now, as for your confusion about our Policy. You see, there is quite a difference between Ninja Looting and a clear and cut Scam in our opinion; and the behavior you portrayed in this case falls under the latter of these two categories. When a group is formed under the false pretense that everyone is going to have an equal opportunity to obtain all the loot available in the run, then Master Looter is sprung upon them so that you, “can talk about loot before [you] distribute” only to have the item unfairly taken by the leader, it is not considered Ninja Looting in the eyes of our Customer Support department.

Your actions here severely impact the other players that worked, just as hard as you did, to get that instance accomplished, leaving an overall negative feeling about things. Especially when such rules are agreed upon in advance, such as rolling “Need” on items you don’t actually need will get you kicked. This sets players up to believe they are in a fair run; as does the statement, “When I link the mount your first roll after that counts. The winner of the roll can choose to sell or keep [it].” It is sort of a slap in the face to everyone else involved in the situation when you disregard the winning roll only to keep the item for yourself – and even more so as you show it off for everyone in Dalaran (as you state in your post).

Please understand that part of our goal, as Customer Service, is to ensure that players are held accountable to their actions, and that we do everything in our power to enforce our Policies in a nonbiased fashion. That being said your actions here do clearly fall under the Scamming another Player section of our Scam Policy: (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20459) which clearly states:

â€¢ Acquiring items or any other "possessions" from another player through misinformation, confusion, or fraud (Scamming)

â€¢ Be temporarily suspended from the game