Are DPS getting lazy? - Blue Tracker

#0 - July 16, 2009, 4:57 p.m.

Is the new aoefest zzz system we have now making dps lazy? Even tanking is a yawnfest for 5 mans and naxx.

Aggro manament is no longer an issue unless your tank is terribad or your dps starts before the tanks has hold.

Was this the goal?

CC is a joke for 5 mans and most raids and dps can just go bttw after the tank has 2 secs on the mob. Is this a balancing issue?

Bornakk

#13 - July 16, 2009, 6:34 p.m.

*yawwwn*

Insert quote here... wait, what was I talking about? I nodded off for a sec there.

But seriously, dps will do whatever works best/easiest and I don't think that healers/tanks really do things differently in that regard. If AoE damage can kill all the creatures faster/easier, then it'll happen, if CC is needed, you'll see that happening instead.

Bornakk

#34 - July 16, 2009, 7:21 p.m.

Q u o t e:

What you fail to understand is that nothing in Wrath REQUIRES CC. CC is gone, dead, kaput, it's la vista is hasta'd.

As a DPS, I find Wrath exceedingly BORING, because it's a matter of AoE-the-trash and dance-shoot-the-boss. Gone are the days with complex pulls, where we had to control the fight with various tools. Now it's just pew-pew-pew.

EDIT: I realize that some of the high-end boss fights in Ulduar require a bit of strategy and CC -- 99% of the game does not. It's bad design to make everything boring on the way the the fun stuff.

I can easily find a number of people who would disagree on CCing every pull being exciting and fun. It often lead to many arguments in the past on us favoring the CC classes as you couldn't run instances without them.

Maybe (and this is just a maybe) we went too far in the other direction in not using CC much at all, but it has cropped up again in Ulduar for sure and we can probably find a better balance in the future. Overall it was pretty easy to skip the regular dungeons and go straight to heroics/naxx so you got the gear faster and pushed past a lot of the basic stuff where CC was used in TBC.

Bornakk

#36 - July 16, 2009, 7:28 p.m.

Q u o t e:

I am trying to think of any pull that requires CC. None of the trash in Freyas room, none of the trash to mim, none of the trash to vezax, except maybe banish the fire elementals. Nothing on the way to hodir or thorim. No trash so to speak before that really. There are things you "Can" CC, but nothing really required too.

?

"Require" is a rough word but it is a very common practice to CC trash before Kologarn, Freya, and Vezax (based on my personal experience). Either way I've seen way more CC in Ulduar than in Naxx.