Worgen pet. dev please respond!

#0 - July 7, 2009, 11:36 p.m.
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After seeing this awsome pet you can tame, i figured i would go get it. I missed out on the ghostwolf, as well as the pile of slime that could be tamed, but this was my chance to get something that looked awsome. So i finally get it, having an awsome time with it.
Today i log on to find that my worgen pet has no abilities or an achievement tree. Do you really think this is fair? I know what your going to respond with.... "A worgen isnt a beast and you should not have had it in the first place. So we figured we would allow you to keep it but just take everything away that makes it a pet"
Heres my question to you. Why did the people that got the ghostwolf and the slime pile before you guys made it untameable get to keep their pets skill trees and abilities? A ghostwolf is UNDEAD, a slimepile could be considered UNDEAD or ELEMENTAL.
If your going to take my worgens abilities and skill tree away, you better do it to peoples ghostwolf and slimepiles. This is simply not fair. If your not going to take the skill trees and abilities from the ghostwolf and slimepiles, why did you do it to the worgen pet. This is an outrage!
#20 - July 7, 2009, 11:49 p.m.
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The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn't really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion.
#47 - July 8, 2009, 12:03 a.m.
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I thought CMs didn't respond to posts with 'DEV PLEASE RESPOND' and the like in the title...

I removed that from the title but forgot to mention it. In this case I felt it was necessary to provide a response regarding this issue, though I wish I had the luxury of more carefully choosing to whom I responded.

Please do not post words in all capital letters, or call for the response of Blizzard employees, in the subject line of any threads you create folks. If it's a matter we feel needs to be addressed on the forums, we will do so. Thanks. :)
#92 - July 8, 2009, 12:16 a.m.
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So a Ghost Wolf, now undead type belong to a family of pet but worgen dont belong to a family of pet I think you are using 2 different ways of judging this. We should be able to keep our worgen on our hunters. Since the other hunters got to keep their own unique pet too.

For the sake of consistency I DEMAND you give us the same treatment you gave to every unique pet.




It's not really a matter of consistency. There are times where unintended issues in the game will provide players with a benefit if they exploit the case. Any time this occurs we assess the individual situation and handle that situation based on the specific circumstances present. Whether or not you compare and contrast our actions in this case to any actions in the past is, as I mentioned before, quite irrelevant. There are far more variables in play than you're accounting for in order to argue this situation with Garwal should've been addressed in exactly the manner we've addressed similar hunter taming issues in the past.
#136 - July 8, 2009, 12:25 a.m.
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So do we know whats happening to the wolf? Is it getting its model reverted, removed altogether, left in its handicapped state, what?

It may yet still be removed altogether. I don't have a final decision on that to share with you.
#182 - July 8, 2009, 12:35 a.m.
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I am of course NOT happy with the arbitrary and unfair way in which this was handled

I'm not sure how fairness can be measured in a case where the taming of this pet was largely unfair. Taming the worgen relied on a quest and an odd commitment to timing. It wasn't fair to anyone.

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along with the ridiculous delay in communicating with your customers how you planned to handle your mess.

With all due respect, the issue gained traction and popularity over a holiday weekend. We began discussing the situation the moment we arrived in the office on Monday morning. By Monday afternoon we confirmed this to be a bug with the public, stating that Garwal would be hotfixed so as to be untamable in the future. The exact changes made in the hotfix were only tested and solidified within a very brief window of time before being pushed live to all realms.

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This worgen-wolf model gave me hope that I could have a "cool pet" that would actually be raid-viable. I was excited about playing my hunter again, like I used to be when I first started playing.

It is unfortunate when a bug is found that provides players with something really cool that we feel they shouldn't have. For that I apologize.
#206 - July 8, 2009, 12:41 a.m.
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YES! random rules. It is a mater of consistency, not case per case. Whomever responded to this one wasn't the same ppl who responded to the other accourences. If it was, we(who tamed this) would still have a usable pet or they would have "fixed" them all. Inconsistency. That is the only viable arguement here. I say work out the logistics, give the talents back, and break the taming of it in the future, as was done previously. The costumer is always right!
<------Costumer.

You quite possibly make a reasonable point here. Perhaps costumers are always right. I don't have experience in the field enough to know.
#310 - July 8, 2009, 1:10 a.m.
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With all due respect, not everyone celebrates the 4th of July. Did this not happen on the European servers? Did Canadian hunters not go after the Worgen skin as well?

The development team is not stationed in Europe or Canada.
#380 - July 8, 2009, 1:31 a.m.
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Why am I not surprised that you opted to not address any other thing I said?

/patpat There you are troll; I'm done feeding you. ^_^

I decide what to respond to. There's no need to run in circles around an issue. We've stated our stance. Based on the circumstances of this specific case, we feel hunters should not have the ability to possess tamed worgens. The forums aren't simply a ventilation system where players can run in and continually restate the same arguments over and over again, not because they're not being answered, but because the players are not satisfied with the answers.

And now how many people are going to take issue with the fact that I've chosen to respond to your post? Let's go back to your original post. I'll respond to the rest of it.

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You cannot honestly expect any of us to believe that you would have taken this long if it were actually something game-breaking; so why are you using that excuse for your actions? If Hunters suddenly, at the start of a long holiday weekend, became able to tame players I'm certain we'd have a hotfix within hours if not minutes.

So we're arguing over our response time to this specific issue and you're using a hypothetical situation to support your argument? It's almost as if there's no need to respond to this and engage in a hypothetical debate that ultimately fails to address any of the concerns relating specifically to the fact that we do not want hunters to have worgens as pets, obtained via the exploitation of a bug.

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It's a skin and a set of animations. It provides no benefit in BGs or Arena, nor will it give anyone any sort of edge in PvE content. At most it benefits RPers in-game as a new and fresh setup for plot. It benefits you, however, because it's just one more draw for one of the more popular classes in the game that pays your wages.

We don't want hunters to have worgens as pets, even particularly given the means necessary to obtain them.

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And yet I fully understand why you say precedent is irrelevant, and why you don't require logic to make your argument: You hold the reins. We can petition and whine and cry until our little fingers fall off, but ultimately you don't have to do anything you don't want to because no one is in a position to force you to be fair. You're completely capable of such epic levels of trolling as this and not a single one of us can bring any sort of consequence to bear upon you for it because you're the one with the ban button.

I'm not banishing dissent. I'm suspending players for violations of the Code of Conduct.

If you think I'm trolling then you're welcome to email [email protected]. It is, however, inappropriate to exclaim on these forums how my job should be done, how my posts should be written, and to whom I should be responding.

If you want to talk about trolling, or ultimately getting off track, I don't see how your posts have provided any sort of cure for such an ailment.
#458 - July 8, 2009, 1:56 a.m.
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It's hilarious how he is completely avoiding the fact that oozes and hydras don't belong to any specific pet family either. I guess they just have something against worgens?

In some previous cases we fixed the bugs that allowed the taming of certain pets, but felt the pets weren't so far to an extreme that they needed to be removed. In other cases in the past, and in the case of Garwal, we've removed the pets as well feeling as though allowing them to remain hunter pets would be going too far.

Those of you asking for consistency, or to "pick a side" as I believe I saw one player request, are over-simplifying the nature of bugs. There's no side to be on when it comes to fixing bugs and addressing any unintentional outcomes due to those bugs being present. We have to assess each case on an individual basis.

A humanoid who could only be tamed through the trickiest of means didn't sit right with us, so we removed the ability to tame him and removed his status as a hunter pet.
#479 - July 8, 2009, 2:03 a.m.
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Here we go again.

It's no where near as "tricky" as the spirit wolf was.

You either use something that can EASILY be linked to the spirit wolf, or to the ooze/hydra when describing why it can't be tamed.

Therefore, remove all 3, otherwise you need a new excuse that can't be applied to any of them.

We don't want hunters to have worgens as pets. That is the reason whether you find it reasonable or not.