Can a ninja be fixed?

Okay, that's enough guys.

We've all been in a position where something we've spent a very long time farming ended up in another player's hands. These circumstances were probably maddeningly frustrating, so let's avoid rubbing salt into the wound in the meantime.

Lustrare, I see that your petition is being serviced as we speak. I know that you're probably in quite a state, but there are some key elements of this situation that make it very unlikely that we'll be in a position to intervene.

First, while I understand why you attempted to take the precautions that you did, this would not be considered a scam. The other player made a statement, but when the item dropped, every party member had equal opportunity and right to it.

What this player opted to do was highly dishonorable. That said, it was not a violation of our policies in and of itself, and we very likely will not be in a position to intervene in this issue.

You can refer to our article on this policy here:

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=17761

Q u o t e:
Players will often report to our In-Game Assistance department the unfortunate circumstance of becoming a victim to what is commonly referred to as "ninja looting." While we do not condone or support such methods, we regret to inform the victims of this exercise that we will be unable to assist with cases of ninja looting under any means. The reason for this is primarily due to the fact that we feel there are several safe guards in the game to prevent successful ninja looting.

It is important to group with players one feels he/she can trust whenever possible. It is equally as important to trust the party/raid leader to choose the most appropriate looting method to prevent instances of ninja looting. For example, master looting should only be condoned and utilized if the leader of the party/raid can be wholly trusted by those within the party/raid. Along the same lines, free-for-all looting should only be used if all members of the party/raid are considered trustworthy. Looting is maintained at the risk of those within a group. If items are mislooted or ninja looted, the In-Game Assistance department will be unable to intervene under any circumstances.

Q u o t e:

Then he should have said so when I initially asked him. That is why I initially asked and he said he would pass. If he wanted to express his right to roll "need", then I would have found another group.

He did, actually. He opted to remain with the group under duress when you stated that you would otherwise leave.

There were several disagreements over how the instance should be run, and there was interpersonal friction. Obviously, this interpersonal friction lead one of the involved parties to believe that it was no longer necessary to abide by the agreement.

The ultimate result is what occurred.

We can't force people to be honorable, Lustrare, any more than we can prevent someone from creating enemies with a hostile and condescending attitude. We do our best to create a fun and fair environment for our players, but it becomes important for our players to do their part to foment that atmosphere, just as it becomes important for us to draw boundaries regarding where we will and will not intercede. Due to the complexity and social nature of this kind of interaction, and the fact that the mechanical nature of the looting system is intended to deal with this kind of conflict in and of itself, this is one of those boundaries.

I am genuinely sorry that this happened. I hope that you ultimately opt to remain with us, and that you're able to acquire those bracers, or something better.

Q u o t e:


I am not suggesting anything at this point. This is primarily a discussion over the current rules and why some people are defending dishonest people. II may suggest a contract agreement between players in the future, but when I do I will take that to the suggestion forum.

I'd suggest you leave this topic since it bothers you so much.

Actually, I can see this thread devolving rapidly, so I am going to lock this thread. I understand that you have misgivings regarding the outcome of this situation, and please trust that I recognize why you're upset.

I sincerely am sorry that this situation turned out the way it did, and you have my sympathies. I repeat my honest wish that you find an amenable group and acquire the item you're after.

Q u o t e:
What about people who make pugs for things like OS, which for all intents and purposes are legitimate pugs, but then when loot drops they autoloot items to people (who i assume are friends, or have paid gold in advance to get these items, unbeknown to the rest of the raid) and then proceeed to auction off other pieces?

There is a group of persons on my server who do this repeatedly and are getting away with it. You say there's safeguards. Sure, for most of us who play this game 24/7 we know not to group with them. For the casuals who pay just as much to play this game they're getting screwed and having their experience ruined by serial offenders.

These involve the Master Loot system and are a different matter. Each issue is reviewed on a case by case basis, but please feel free to report such situations via an in-game petition.