DK Dual wield DPS too low - but not abandoned

#0 - April 17, 2009, 8:58 p.m.

Can we please get some feedback on the status of buffing a dual wield build for us?

This should be high priority - when I rolled a death knight you said then that dual wield would be a viable build..

Now months later your saying if it doesn't end up being one then "oh well".

I can't break 4.3k dps on any single target. I can easily push 5-5.3k with a 2hand. The margin will still exist as I gear up in Ulduar gear.

I don't want to sit here for months using a 2hand, that's not why I rolled a death knight. I've made multiple posts in the past 2 days with plenty of observations and constructive feedback which got no attention, 10-20 views and 0 replies.

Nobody cares but you should. All I see is responses to QQ pvp threads or QQ about nerfs. I don't even care about a blue response, the problem is none of the players care either. Sorry if this seems like I'm venting but it's pretty saddening that this was pulled.

The other day you left us with "the possibility of making the frost tree the dual wield tree". Well please hot fix something in, or at the very least the next upcoming small patch. At least give us some raw ideas on what we can do, I've given plenty over the past couple days.

- Increase damage done with frost strike if it's a 1hand wep
- OR allow frost strike to attack with both weapons
- increase blood of the north to 5%
- lower the cd back to 6 seconds on HB

All of these or even one of these have the possibility to at least bring dual weild somewhat up to par with 2h, even if it's a bit behind. Right now it's just being obliterated (no pun intended).

Thanks for your time.

Ghostcrawler

#8 - April 17, 2009, 11:25 p.m.

This is one of those categories, like the Conflag nerf, that we feel like you have options. We needed to kill the DW spec where you pretty much ignore weapons and just try and proc big spells. That was not the DW DK style we wanted. We felt like we had a choice between OP DW DKs and no DW DKs and thought the second was a more acceptable risk.

As we have explained, one of our ideas long term is to give Frost a couple of DW talents. It might not take much more than "Your Frost Striks and Oblits now hit with two weapons." Having 3 tanking and PvP trees is challenging enough. Expanding that matrix by also having DW Blood PvP and DW Unholy tanking gets to the insane level. But having DW Frost PvP, DW Frost PvE and DW Frost tanking (only) may be more manageable. We are not at all sure if this is the approach we will use, but it's an idea.

DKs were overpowered in a few ways. Fixing that was more important thank keeping DW at equal dps to 2H. That does not mean we have given up on DW for DKs in the same way that we no longer support 2H for Enhancement shamans.

Ghostcrawler

#30 - April 18, 2009, 12:23 a.m.

Q u o t e:
I think it's time to drop the "Let DKs be able to tank/DPS/PvP with any spec" thing. Other classes don't seem to follow that design, I don't understand why DKs need to. If each tree had a focus, then it'd be a lot easier to balance DKs.

It would also be a lot less interesting. We don't like the trees being that narrow for any class. Arms vs. Fury or Arcane vs. Fire or whatever should be a style choice, not what you pick for a certain role in the game. It's going to take some time to get everything there, but it's something we want to do.

Q u o t e:
I understand your situation, but please don't kill Frost 2H. I feel for the dual wielding death knights, but I don't want my spec killed in the process.

Absolutely. We would not turn Frost into a DW tree. We would just make sure all DW DKs were Frost. And again, this is just an idea. We may reject it for some reason. As I have said many times, we want DKs to be a class that uses 2H or DW. We do not want DW to dominate, as it typically does in classes that have that option.

Q u o t e:
What's wrong with a spec of DKs that has an emphasis spell damage?

Some spell damage is fine, and an interesting niche for them, but they are designed primarily as a melee class. When you face Arthas, I guarantee he is going to hit you hard with Frostmourne.