Arena's \ Tournaments in Wotlk (GC Comment)

#0 - March 25, 2009, 3:05 p.m.
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I posted this in another thread somewhere, but I think the major conclusion you can really draw from this is that players go where the loot is. In season 1, it was much easier to get epics from Arena than raiding. We have almost completely flipped to the opposite extreme now.

Our goal isn't to force players into Arena who hate it but suffer through to get the loot. Everyone will be happier if the players doing Arenas are the players who like to do Arenas. Similarly, the people raiding should be the people who like raiding.

One of the designers came up with a smart saying recently, which is that you should not conculde that all heroics should be like Mechanar just because Mechanar was our most popular heroic. :)

-Ghostcrawler

I found the thread this came from very interesting. And i hope GC reads this (dont need, nor am i fishing for a response)

Im sure GC is busy, and hopefully hes busy working on Warriors but here we go.

I do not like "Raiding". I just don't. I like to see the end game content once. Maybe twice (lets face it wotlk content is pretty cool) But raids take too long, its a standard rotation, its repitition, its routine. And that is very much Okie dokie. I am not complaining about raiding, no suggestion to fix it im just setting up where i am coming from. Currently im in a raiding guild, raiding.

I like "Arena". I love "World Pvp". Its my thing. I have a sorta passion for it. Even the BG's have a special place for me. Curretly i have barely done any arena or BG's other then wintersgrasp.

I want to do arena's but this season i chose not to. Most groups didn't want/need a warrior. Resil seemed to not count for much, pve gear was winning over pvp gear. Arena was almost impossible if you were not a mage, hunter, dk, or paladin.

So effectively i am currently and have been for a while, doing something in this game i really dont care for, in place of something i really want to go do, but dont because im ill suited for.

In the tournament there is 0 warrior represenation at the top.

The new arena system kicked into place.

I think its important for the devs to know that there are people out there, like most of the people on my teams, who really were looking forward to 80 arenas, just to stay out because there class/spec was so far from viable, all we ended up doing was losing to no skill keyboard turning teams. We sat out of BG's and Arenas practically the whole season.

So technically im falling into the opposite category of what GC wants. This isnt a crying post, boo hoo. Im simply saying these are the facts for me, and alot of people i know. We ended up in raiding to have a better chance in arena, however even once we had some gear, Arena still continued to be rather unenjoyable to us. We still lost to no skill players, resil didnt count for much, and our composition just couldnt match the ez win mode comps no matter the tactics.


Just so its known back in S4, as a Warrior I didnt spec mace, EVER. i didnt care for the play style. I also never ran with a druid. And i still got up over 1800 in both brackets. As a casual im pretty pleased with that. I would like to return to that. Alot of us would. But we dont, not unless much needed changes are made.

#3 - March 25, 2009, 9:29 p.m.
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That's fair, Steelknight.

The PvE content in LK isn't extremely difficult, and it involves large groups. As a result the system is fairly tolerant of class imbalance. If you have a dude who isn't pulling his weight, though no fault of his own, you can still progress.

That is not true in Arenas. Arenas are always "hard" by this definition. They are very intolerant of class imbalance.

The next tier of raid content will be much less tolerant of class imbalance too. If you think you have seen QQ before, just wait until raids are wiping on Ulduar hard modes. (And I don't mean to imply all of the player complaints or concerns are invalid or unhelpful.)

We think PvE and PvP balance will be in a better place come 3.1. It won't be perfect, but hopefully we can make changes to get it as close as possible.