Druids, just as I feared...

I am looking right now at a PTR attempt by a very good guild. Now you can argue that these trees need to L2P, but that's a tough argument. You could argue that eventually the community will figure out the most optimal way to heal, and that these numbers will shift over time. That I might believe a little more.

Small sample size is small and I'm sure other guilds might do it differently.

One boss

Lifebloom 56%
Wild Growth 29%
Rejuv 9%
Swiftmend 1%
Nourish 1%

Another boss

Lifebloom 27%
Wildgrowth 25%
Nourish 16%
Rejuv 15%

Q u o t e:
Don't worry, you'll make them change their ways. You just need to nerf LB some more. I believe in you.

I was pwned. :(

Q u o t e:
I had this whole other post written, but what concerns me more is that the healer isn't even using regrowth as a HOT...

I don't think they are healing the tanks as their primary role in either of those parses, as Wild Growth would drop out of their rotation if they were MT healing.

No, they were. That’s where all the LBs went. I can’t explain the lack of Regrowth though.

Q u o t e:
Trees quoted by GC are either bad or the fight is way too easy and that druid is slacking on purpose.

I’m not going to out them, because I don’t think that’s a fair thing for us to do to players, so you’ll just have to take my word for it that they are excellent druids in one of the top guilds. I know that isn't terribly fair of me because I could just be making up numbers to suit my argument (and one of the reasons I rarely offer our own numbers in forum discussions).

They were not slacking, I imagine, as they had wiped on both those bosses multiple times. The numbers I cited were on succesful kills. I do acknowledge that it is entirely possible that they are doing things the hard way and will eventually realize they should change their rotation. But we should not dismiss them as scrubs just because their actions don’t support some predictions.

I didn't write down which exact fight it was so I don't have the numbers in front of me anymore. I'll try to find it tomorrow. Maybe I can even ask the player if it's okay to post the full numbers.

I do remember that in the first boss fight, the LB did bloom some, though I can't remember if they let it bloom every time or if that just happened because the healer had to move around (it is a fight where you might have to do that). The blooms could very well have happened to non-tanks, though he or she was definitely LBing the tank too.

I am the last person to advocate over-analyzing small data sets in any case. If we continue to see druids healing in so many different ways as those Lissanna linked, that would be awesome.

Q u o t e:
I don't have an agenda here; I just want actual data if you are going to try and use this to support your claim. I want to know break downs because that's all that's really important. These numbers are meaningless otherwise. It's slightly ironic considering we often get preached to "present our case with numbers" then we have a set of anecdotal numbers presented to us to try and sell the point with absolutely no information beyond, "see, it still works."

Yes, that is all true. I would not advocate over-analyzing any small data set. I don't often mention specific numbers for a reason. We just end up discussing the numbers instead of the design. These threads are a better use of time for the community to discuss their numbers, not nitpick our numbers. Selfishly, I don't gain much from trying to convince you that our numbers are real, except to possibly waylay your concerns, which to be honest, I think is unlikely to happen for some of you.

Q u o t e:
The numbers GC posted are from their own internal tools (probably pulled from the server logs while the players were doing the event). Blizzard love numbers and lots of them, they simply trust their own numbers more than those given by players (which is understandable since they can audit their numbers).

Yup. We definitely aren't going to be in a position often of offering you our data in order to convince you to let us make a change.

Q u o t e:
He allegedly found them. From a fight he can't remember, and with details he can't remember, no information on the other healers or any other contextual information that would make the numbers relevant in any way. But hey, maybe he'll post them later. And hey, let's ignore everyone else posting parses with abysmal LB usage because the spell is terrible on the PTR - he's going to hang his hat on this anonymous 56% LB usage "report" from a "top guild" whose druids clearly know more than you and me. This clearly proves Lifebloom is just fine on the PTR right? Right?

And this is another reason why we don't often offer numbers. :) If this is how you guys want to use the thread though, then go for it.