Don't waste your time on Love fest

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The achievements for the "Love is in the Air" world event are impossible to complete. There are not nearly enough hours in the day to accomplish all of what is required.

Bags of Candy may as well be a rare epic world drop and good luck firing off those rockets.

For those who happen to stumble upon this post, take my advice. Do something else with your time. This will only frustrate you to tears.

They're not impossible to complete, but I think people lose sight of what these events are meant to be and that's "fun". If you don't enjoy taking part in them, then don't. If there is something you think could be done better, share your constructive feedback. While it may seem the clock is ticking to get it all done, there is no reason you must get it all done this time around. These events are a part of the game and will continue to be developed further as we go along and think it benefits the event.

In case you missed it, Kirisani has already addressed the candy bag drop in another post as well as some other things. Please be sure to read it. You may not agree with the idea behind it, but it should help a bit.

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Honestly Nethaera, I think you're missing part of the point here. We are now on what? The 10th or 11th post about this subject that will likely grow to 500 replies and auto-lock? These boards are like letters to the editor. Believe me when I tell you that for every guy who actually takes the time to post on here, there are 100 more that share his sentiment. The community is speaking fairly loudly and fairly clearly here. They want this achievement removed from the meta because, in fact, it is not fun to complete. All things being equal, I would not bother doing this achievement except the one thing I really would like to do is complete What a Long Strange Trip It's Been since I've always enjoyed the holiday events.

Actually, people in political office generally equate 1 to 1000. However, a very small portion of the population posts to the forums. So we have to be very careful about how we weigh in feedback based on them. Don't worry though, we still take into account many other aspects as a part of feedback beyond the forums and don't discount what is said here either. :)

I enjoy these events, and always look forward to this one. That said though, I don't think there is anything wrong with people disagreeing with me on this, nor does my enjoyment equal the entirety of thought on the event. Some will agree with me and some won't. It's about how people choose to disagree that matters. We don't plan events to be frustrating, but at the same time, there should always be a degree of effort that goes into completing them.

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Neth any word on why Allies are getting the title at 10X the rate of horde players?

I think this is the first I've heard this said. Could you explain a bit more?

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Did a Blizzard rep really say that? "epic" achievement? What a joke. I can't believe Blizzard are now resorting to that most overused, tired and meaningless of words.

I'm not sure who you're saying said this because it wasn't me.

I'll reiterate what I said exactly about "effort" since some have made it seem that I excluded any amount of chance being involved in my statement- "We don't plan events to be frustrating, but at the same time, there should always be a degree of effort that goes into completing them. "

Now to point out where Kisirani addressed the candy bag issue:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990944942&pageNo=17&sid=1#338

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The Bag of Candies had a fairly reasonable drop rate and was in no way bugged; however, due to the random aspect of the achievement, we discussed it and did hotfix an increase in last night. While I'm aware that some of you dislike the chance aspect of this achievement, it will remain in the meta.

And just to dispel all the superstition around it, no NPC has a greater chance of giving out candies. They're all equal.

And

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990944942&sid=1&pageNo=18#356

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Those of you who haven't gotten one at this point are unlucky. The drop rate is now no less than any other consumable item used for the holiday (with the exception of the bracelets, which don't factor into this.)

And this in reference to chance still playing a part in meta-achievements:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990444897&postId=149893977639&sid=1#3

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It depends on the achievements; some we've removed from the meta, others have had their drop rates adjusted to be more reasonable, and still others are fine as they are. Understand that that statement does not mean that all achievements based on chance are being removed from the meta, because that is not so. The achievement I referenced specifically required you to get 20 different masks from something on a one-hour cooldown, resulting in a probability much lower than, say, Have Keg, Will Travel.

We've no intention of removing chance entirely from the meta achievements, but the ones that still apply have reasonable acquisition rates.

I really appreciate those that have taken time to voice constructive feedback on this. It really is a good way to gauge where people are at and what they are thinking or experiencing.

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I am getting highly discouraged as I have busted my butt to finish every other holiday achievement up to this one.

I can understand your frustration. Some will remember that during the Hallow's End event, I was not having any luck getting the Hallowed Helm. In the end, I never did get that item, though I was fortunate enough to get the mount. I would say I put forth some effort to finish the achievements both by running groups to kill the Headless Horseman and by trick-or-treating, but in the end, luck wasn't with me. I'm willing to accept that and try again later to finish it.

I know some are more completionist and don't like having something left unfinished. I know many people are working toward their drake or want the bragging rights or even just want the title. I understand those feelings of urgency that you might be having, but does it make it more fun or less fun to put pressure on yourself to get it all done right now? Achievements aren't "Must haves" unless you want them to be. They are meant to enhance events and experiences as an additional fun item.

I know many argue that by having these in the game, it makes them "must haves", but I've known people that just don't care one way or another about doing them, while others have made it one of their focuses.

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So now you're telling us we shouldn't try to get achievements?

WTF?

At any rate, is it completely unreasonable to increase the length of the Love is in the Air cycle? It's kind of ridiculous that it's only one weekend IMO.

Oh wait, I see how it is... Cater to the casuals on PvP and PvE but give the hardcore players achievements to grind out 20 hours a day.

...

Lame.

Please don't twist things I say to mean something completely different. I'm simply saying, do it because you want to and enjoy it. Not because you feel you must do it. You'll get more enjoyment out of it in the end.

In the meantime, feedback is still always and ever appreciated. At no point have I said that nothing could possibly change in the future if we feel it's warranted and can be made more fun.

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Two points:

1. Did you have fun killing the Headless Horseman over and over, checking the corpse, and getting nothing?

2. You touch on an interesting contrast here: you can kill the horseman as many times per day as you can find individuals to trigger his spawning. You could also get it from treat bags as well!

But for the candies, you are limited to one attempt per hour. Nobody else can share theirs with you. Furthermore, even if you get a candy bag on the hour, it might not have the particular kind of candy you still need. RNG on top of RNG on top of infrequency.

1. I actually did have a good time running in groups to either help others or in hopes of getting other drops. If I didn't get anything, I was fine with it. Maybe a little disappointed, but I didn't let it overshadow the fun of the event itself. I got to help many other people get their items or experience the event.

2. That's a good point of feedback. I'll make sure it gets passed along. :)

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Sorry, it wasn't my intention to twist your words, but it's just what I thought when I read what you said.

Achievements are a way of adding value to the game, but if they are frustrating/impossible unless you have no life, they can't really be fun. It's hard to strike a balance between that, I know, since you want the achievement to mean something. If it's too easy to get, then what's the point?

Knowing that doesn't make me less frustrated though :)

Understood. :)

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I can strongly say that the number of people suffering from this is not in the hundreds, it is in the THOUSANDS.
most likely over 9000

/raises her hand..

Who saw this one coming?