Tricked into a non-full clear naxx group....

#0 - Feb. 8, 2009, 7:26 p.m.

"LF1M one healer naxx10....full clear"

That's what I hear in Dalaran a few days ago, so I message the leader and ask him to make sure its a full clear, he assures me of it.

I join the group to notice the entire group is in Naxxramas, I was a little suspicious but threw it off as a coincidence.

I was promptly summoned, and when I hit enter, I was right next to Sapphiron....

I then messaged the group leader asking him why the hell he told me it was full clear when it clearly wasn't.

He responded with this, "sorry now ur screwed cuz ur saved, its either these 2 bosses or nothing, make ur pick."

We ended up wiping on Saphhiron twice, and the group fell apart....

This is completely ridiculous. And it was on a tuesday.

Eyonix

#89 - Feb. 9, 2009, 11:17 p.m.

Q u o t e:

The OP said the guy said FULL CLEAR, not fresh run, big difference.

a full clear is a full clear regardless if all the bosses are alive when you zone in. if he wasnt tricked into a fresh run. the op said he was advertising a FULL CLEAR.

I don't agree with you at all. I've actually never even had anyone use the phrase "fresh run" on my realm. If what the original poster said was true (and I don't have reason to doubt it), he was purposefully led to believe that he was going to have the opportunity to kill all 15 bosses in Naxxramas. If there was any room for doubt, it went away when the guy stated he was screwed.

Eyonix

#102 - Feb. 9, 2009, 11:57 p.m.

Q u o t e:

So is there anything i can do other than post their names on the Realm Forum?

I mean can a GM do anything, like punish the Raid Leader, or at the very least, unsaved me from the instance?

I don't know, it seems that depending upon the circumstances it could be punishable behavior but I don't work in the support department. You can try asking in the customer service forum for a less speculative response.

Eyonix

#112 - Feb. 10, 2009, 12:06 a.m.

Q u o t e:

Eyonix, unless you play on all servers I don't think you're qualified to make that statement. "Fresh run" is constantly used on my server.

Indeed, each server is its own micro-culture. They have different economies, different faction/race/class proportions, and different game related dialects develop on each one. Its all the same language, but some things have different meanings, or are expressed with different phrases.

I think the raid leaders statement not only removes doubt about the intent of the run, but about his intent to deceive the OP.

I don't think you understand, friend. The fact that each realm is different is what I was pointing out, I used my current realm as an example. I've studied the cultures of World of Warcraft for over four years, and I do think that makes me qualified to chime in here. Based on what the original poster reported, he was intentionally deceived by the raid leader.

Eyonix

#118 - Feb. 10, 2009, 12:09 a.m.

Q u o t e:

Could you at least tell us if there's anything in the works to help improve the raid ID system? A confirmation box, something? Is this issue something which is even on the developers' radar?

I' ll bring the idea up.

Eyonix

#127 - Feb. 10, 2009, 12:25 a.m.

Q u o t e:

umm..

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The OP said the guy said FULL CLEAR, not fresh run, big difference.
a full clear is a full clear regardless if all the bosses are alive when you zone in. if he wasnt tricked into a fresh run. the op said he was advertising a FULL CLEAR.

I don't agree with you at all.
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If you were trying to point out that all realms are different, why did you say "I don't agree with you at all." Saying that and then using your own realm as an example of why you don't agree leads to a path of reasoning that what you experience is what always happens.

Also, I'm not your friend, I'm your customer. I'm not always right, as the saying goes... but the corporations from which I buy aren't always right either.

I almost get the feeling you're just intent on being contrary, and the latter part of your comment seems to indicate the possibility that you're likely engaging this conversation with some kind of chip on your shoulder. I didn't agree with the poster I responded to that there was absolutely a big difference, as he indicated. On my realm there isn't, and I'm certain that's the case on many others. How many isn't at all important. He's on a different realm as the original poster.

What's your investment in arguing with me?

Eyonix

#150 - Feb. 10, 2009, 12:49 a.m.

Q u o t e:

He said "The OP said the guy said FULL CLEAR, not fresh run, big difference"

You said you disagree, then followed with "I've actually never even had anyone use the phrase "fresh run" on my realm".

What does the use of the phrase on your realm have to do with its meaning on other realms?

You then said "If what the original poster said was true (and I don't have reason to doubt it), he was purposefully led to believe that he was going to have the opportunity to kill all 15 bosses in Naxxramas"

Translation: the OP was lead to believe he would be doing a full clear, despite what he said about being deceived. You are stating that the OP was wrong in his interpretation of his own server's terminology.

We're not talking about your realm, or many other realms. We are talking about something that happened on the OP's realm. I don't care what phrases mean what on your realm, frankly its irrelevant to this discussion.

So, rather than addressing the actual problem first, you made some offhand remark trying to diminish any credibility of the original issue, making it not an issue to be dealt with at all.

My "investment" is making sure that any material put forth in an official medium from your company, in this case a "blue post" - one that gets picked up my many other automated feeds - are as truthful and constructive as possible, which yours was not.

Uhm, I'm agreeing with the OP -- I have been this entire time. I'm disageeing with the one who flamed him -- I quoted someone who attacked him. You've misread everything. Now that I understand you're on a holy mission designed to set me straight, I'll simply let you be...

Eyonix

#153 - Feb. 10, 2009, 12:52 a.m.

Q u o t e:
Why are we saving on entry anyway, what happened to saving on the first boss kill you are present for?

It worked great,

It wasn't broken,

It shouldn't have been changed.

It's been a while, but it had to do with the changes we made to the entire raid ID tech. I'll bring up the ideas presented here with the design team.