#0 - Feb. 6, 2009, 2:02 a.m.
Not to call you out Ghostcrawler, but it seems like you have been dodging the Ret QQ's lately (many with legit numbers and data that shouldn't be ignored), and many paladins are getting concerned. Don't get me wrong though, you are definately the best guy blizzards sent over to these boards in quite some time, and I like the attention you have been giving some of the other classes (i dont only play paladins)
Now, the title was mainly an attention grabber, and I'm not going to just post a random QQ in hopes of getting banned. Seriously though, why the nerf to ret/prot when Holy is the only one in need fo a nerf?
I actually posted this in hope that GC will confirm that Blizzard knows we face the following problems, and that they are going to do something about them
1) Ret DPS is bottom of the food chain, only currently better than feral druids (who don't scale well and will be getting a buff). This is quite sad, since we are fighting undead mobs (about an 8% dps increase over normal mobs) and when you take out that 8% increase we are honestly tied for dead-last.
2) The only way we can pump out this not-so-great dps is by spamming concencrate, something that we are apparently not supposed to have to use to compete on the meters. Without spamming this mana-hog AoE we are far behind other classes. We need a single-target version of concencration or something else entirely
3) ** To put out any acceptable numbers, we have to play with complete selfishness **
-a) We have to use SoMartyr/Blood, and hurt ourselves in the process, and cant heal ourselves without OOMING incredibly fast and losing lots of damage
-b) We have to recieve heals from an outside source for the damage we do onto ourselves or we will go OOM... (we need a babysitter)
-c) If we use utility we will go OOM quite fast, and most likely lose dps
-d) If we toss out instant FoL's we will lose a chunk of dps (swing timer reset) and go oom quick, not to mention they dont heal for all that much
4) There are 2 Retribution specced paladins in the top 100, 6 in the top 200, according to SK Gaming. I thought we were OP? Those are very weak numbers. Most of them are PvE specced/geared too, meaning that bubble is what is getting them their ranking. Once fights start playing out longer, and bubble cant make up for our flaws, I imagine these numbers will drop even lower.
5) We dont really have a rotation, its just a first come, first serve button mash. This makes it extremely unpleasant to dps
6) because of #5, if equally geared, a poorly skilled retadin and a skilled retadin will do similar dps, which is super frustrating for good players and too rewarding for bad players
7) Most paladins use SoMartyr/blood in PvP for the damage and bigger judments. You know SoCom needs a buff when you spend a talent point and a glyph on it and still bench it for its superior baseline brother
8) Sheathe of light does not scale with Sacred Shield. Why not? We obviously arent OP in arenas
-On a side note, I honest to god, soloed an 80 Retripally with TS Destroyer on my level 71 arcane mage. Out of like 7 fights, he killed me twice (he used LoH for his first win, and then flew down on me after a rez for his 2nd). i have 8k HP and am 9 levels lower, how should this be possible? Also he wasnt a noob, I just gave him no chance to do anything. Slow, nova, spellsteal BoF (never worked but i tried), iceblock, instant invis, 2 min CD evocate (glyphed). Extreme burst and good sustainable mobile damage, blink out of HoJ, mana gem, mana shield, human racial.
Whats he got? BoF (stealable), repent, and HoJ which is blinked out of, bubble = 50% less damage but atleast lets close some distance before i iceblock or just nova if his BoF is on CD.
TL:DR - Ret could use some buffs, not nerfs
thanks for reading!
