GC: Blood Caked Blade, DW vs 2 Handed data.

#0 - Jan. 5, 2009, 6:53 p.m.

Data used from

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dps/dkt/6/0

which is just a breakdown of raid DPS logs.

Going to use patchwerk data because it is the closest thing to a target dummy in game, which for a talent like BCB is a good way to gague the DPS from the talent.

Going down the top 10 DPS list on Patchwerk, listing the spec, the actual damage from Blood Caked Strikes, the number of Blood Caked Strikes, and the average damage of each Blood Caked Strike.

#1: DW Spec
total damage: 49,412
# of strikes: 72
avg dmg/strike: 686

#2: DW Spec
total damage: 56,307
# of strikes: 78
avg dmg/strike: 722

#3: DW Spec
total damage: 49,433
# of strikes:74
avg dmg/strike: 668

#4: DW Spec
total damage: 45,663
# of strikes: 71
avg dmg/strike: 643

#5: DW Spec
total damage: 42,027
# of strikes: 51
avg dmg/strike: 824

#6: DW Spec
total damage: 41,198
# of strikes: 54
avg dmg/strike: 763

#7: 2 Handed Spec
total damage: 26,775
# of strikes: 21
avg dmg/strike: 1275

#8: DW Spec
total damage: 41,148
# of strikes: 52
avg dmg/strike: 791

#9: DW Spec
total damage: 42,756
# of strikes: 56
avg dmg/strike: 764

#10: 2 Handed Spec
total damage: 23,224
# of strikes: 20
avg dmg/strike: 1162

Things to note:
1) There is not a single DW spec getting less then 40,000dmg from Blood Caked Strikes.
2) The 2 handed damage from Blood Caked Strikes never gets above 27,000 and averages at 25,000

Conclusions
1) Blood Caked Blade does more DPS for DW specs then it does for 2 Handed specs.
2) The difference in DPS from BCB for DW specs and 2 Handed specs is a significant percentage of total BCB DPS.
3) The greater raw DMG from a 2 handed weapon increasing the power of Blood Caked Strikes is not balancing out the extra number of strikes from Dual Wield specs.
4) The average dmg/strike for 2 handed weapons is not consistent with the ratio of weapon damage for the 2 handers compared to the 1 handers.

Can you look into this. Common perceptions are that this talent should be even for DW and 2 handed specs given the talent script. In reality the talent is vastly superior for the DW spec then it is for a 2 handed spec currently.

The other fights beyond simply patchwerk show similar trends.

Ghostcrawler

#3 - Jan. 5, 2009, 11:38 p.m.

There are talents that benefit DW more than 2H. We think that is more interesting than every talent always giving you the same benefit no matter what your gear choices. BCB, Killing Machine and Necrosis, among others, should benefit DW.

If DW is too strong now, as some players think, then these are talents we might change.

Ghostcrawler

#66 - Jan. 6, 2009, 4:28 a.m.

Q u o t e:
The most logical place to look for DW nerfs is Killing Machine.

Yeah, we agree with Sawney. A proc per minute on Killing Machine would nerf DW a little while making an expensive talent more attractive for 2H Frost.

We would also like to buff Necrosis a little since it just doesn't pay for itself right now, but that could end up buffing DW too.