Missing 70th Level BG/PvP Vendors

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Hello Blizzard:

Apparently the 70th Level Battleground PvP Gear Vendors that are normally in the Hall of Champions in Stormwind are missing. (And presumably the Horde ones are missing as well). The 80th Level Vendors are there and the 60th Level Vendors are there but now the Vendors with the 70th Level Gear have vanished - ever since the installation of the Vendors with the 80th Level Gear. Were the Vendors with the 70th Level Gear Moved? If so where? Or was this another big Blizzad Snafu? If so please put the 70th Level PvP Gear Vendors back. Many of us worked long and hard to earn those Marks and Honor Points and are ready to purchase items right now.

Thanks in advance for your prompt attention to this matter.

Yours truly,

Nananana

These vendors actually should be back now. I apologize if their absence caused any distress or confusion.

If you wish to purchase Guardian's Gear, then Lieutenant Rachel Vaccar is the woman you want to speak to. Alternatively, if it was the Brutal Gladiator's armor and weapons you were after, then you could try visiting Shattrath, Area 52 or Gadgetzan.

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Ooook so you guys put back the gaurdians gear, but you didn't put back the arena season 3 gear...may I ask why?

Lv70s STILL have no honor armor sets.

I don't have an answer for the question, nor am I really able to discuss the 'whys' of the situation, as I'm not a Developer. I do know that level 70 items have been made available - some for honor, and some for arena points with rating requirements removed, and that they were the prior season's items.

I know this may be disappointing to some, but it is by design that only Season 4 items are available. You need not avail yourself of them if you'd prefer not to. If you remain at level 70, you should be able to compete in rated arena matches to earn points toward the gear that has been included however.

If you'd like to see level 70 honor armor added, you can try making a post on the Suggestions forum.

Finally, you can opt to level a character to 80, and experience the fullness of World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King as yet another option.

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Thank you for attempting to force me to buy WOTLK so your employer can make more profit off me. You have been getting enough of it sense I joined about a month after the release of WoW and I honestly don't appreciate the unfair treatment.

I talked to a GM today and he assured me that all players are treated equally. What a load of BS.

All players are treated equally. However, our Development staff have finite time. Most often, this time is invested in continuing to develop World of Warcraft at the peak of its potential, i.e., Wrath of the Lich King and emerging content.

You are welcome to remain at level 70, and to experience what content exists at that level, and we will not actively prevent you from doing so. In fact, we rectified this issue despite these vendors having no use at all for level 80 players or the end-game. On the other hand, the simple fact is that World of Warcraft is now being developed with level 80 content in mind. That is the current and active state of the game.

To expect otherwise is simply unrealistic.

Hey guys? I understand that you want to remain in old content, but that's simply not how games like World of Warcraft work best.

We provide a large number of 'free' updates between expansions, and we are happy to do so. Periodically, to open the door for new content, we release a major expansion which includes new options, new levels, new races, new classes and things of that nature. All of this to enhance and improve the existing experience.

This is the intended progression of the game, and many players are enjoying some of the best content ever produced for World of Warcraft right now.

I'm truly sorry that for whatever reason you are unwilling to move into this new content, but we've taken steps to provide you access to level 70 PvP gear. I apologize if you do not like arena play, but if you want level 70 PvP armor and weapons, and do not already have the currency to purchase them, then that's your best option to get those items.

Alternatively, you can do the other existing level 70 content and acquire items that way. All the Badge of Justice vendors still exist. All the level 70 Raid content still exists. You may even be able to take advantage of higher level players' desire to get achievements for performing old content and gain their help acquiring badges and items in the fashion. In short, there are still options, if you're interested in availing yourself of them.

World of Warcraft evolves and changes. That is what a Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying game does over the course of its playable life. If you want a static or unchanging experience, this is not the best place to get it. If you are not interested in growing alongside the game itself, then you may be disappointed.

This has nothing to do with players of a particular level being more important. Our Developers have finite time to develop content though, and we are going to grow and expand our content at the peak of its potential in the vast majority of cases. Those willing to explore the best we have to offer are very likely going to get a much richer experience as a result.

This thread has gone on far too long, though. If you want to see changes to level 70 content, then please make your posts in the Suggestions forum. Our Development staff reviews that forum and that is the only place where your concerns may be reviewed by those with the power to act on them.

If you feel that World of Warcraft does not have enough to offer at level 70, I really do encourage you to at least consider upgrading to Wrath of the Lich King. I know that system specifications and finances can be a challenge for some players, and if this should be the case for you, then I do apologize for that.
Wrath of the Lich King really is the best that World of Warcraft has ever had to offer though, and I say this as a fan, not as an employee. Any avid World of Warcraft player that hasn't experienced Northrend is truly missing out on some amazing and exhilarating game-play.

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But I hope that not having honor gear at 70, isn't supposed to be part of the incentive to get the expansion. Because if you need to take away something from the old game to make the new one more interesting, you've already failed.

Not at all, certainly not to my knowledge. It is merely part of the turn-over from emphasis on PvP at level 70 to emphasis on PvP at 80, I believe. This is part of the natural progression of things.

I understand that desire that some have expressed for Honor based PvP armor and weapons at 70 - and if those items available via Arena Points are insufficient, I encourage those who are interested in such gear being offered once again to post on our Suggestions forum to that effect.

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/facepalm

Do you really, honestly, not get why that response isn't valid? I'm guessing you do, but you had to respond that way because of the company you work for. Here's what we're saying:

- We used to be able to buy a lot of things with honor points at level 70.
- Now we can't.
- Fix it.

I don't care if you call it Merciless, Brutal, or Potato. All I want is for battlegrounds to be useful.

You still can purchase off-set pieces, trinkets, etc. with Honor, actually - it's hardly useless.

I believe that my response was perfectly valid, presenting alternative methods for those who are interested to acquire powerful and effective items at level 70; it's merely a response that it seems you disagree with. Regardless, my post provides a course of action to take if one is unsatisfied with the current state of things:

Please consider posting your concerns in a constructive fashion on our Suggestions forum, as that is only locale where those with the ability to respond to your concerns may review them. We are unable to do so from this forum, so further debate on the topic here serves no purpose aside from discussion for the sake of doing so.

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If there is one glove equip that can be purchased with honor for level 70, I will retract everything negative I have said to date in this thread and admit I was wrong. However, the only vendor I have seen selling level 70 pieces has only rings, trinkets, necklaces, and belts. These are not full sets. If I was being blind and you can tell me where the rest of the gear is, fantastic. I'd be glad to admit I was wrong.

I said that those were 'off set' pieces - currently, at least, gloves, leggings, chest pieces, shoulders, and helms may be purchased for arena points. I certainly didn't suggest otherwise, I hope.

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And if you're wondering why people don't take their concerns to the suggestions board, it's that we feel as though no blue response = no one cares. Yes, you can say it gets read, but without a response it's hard to believe it ever does.

I can certainly understand that it can be easy to believe that the Suggestions forum is a dead letter box, but nothing could be further from the truth. While we are prohibited from responding in that forum, a great many implemented alterations to the game and our services that have been suggested there. We are prohibited from responding on that forum, but it is certainly reviewed regularly, and I hope that this thread helps ease your mind on the subject:

Do Developers Read the Forums?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286660338&sid=1&pageNo=4#74

This thread has gone on for quite long enough.

There is level 70 PvP gear present.

It is absolutely possible to acquire it with the appropriate effort.

If one does not wish to do the things necessary to acquire it - that is, spend both honor on the Guardian's pieces, and Arena points on the Arena pieces, then that is a choice. Please understand that all level 70 pieces are not gone.

There is only one method to appropriately request the addition of the Honor-based armor pieces and weapons. If you are unsatisfied with all that has been made available, and if you want our Developers to consider adding those vendors to the game in addition to those that have already been returned, then you may post in our Suggestions forum to that effect.

The point is that we have provided options. Whether or not one should happen to choose to exercise them, or are they are satisfying? Well, that is a completely different matter. The bottom line is that those options exist, even if they aren't the options one might have originally been hoping for. Please accept my apologies if the level 70 gear that was added back into the game did not align with any pre-conceived notions regarding what would be available.

No one is being forced into level 71+ content though. Just so there's no misunderstanding, the honest truth is that our Developers would indeed very likely appreciate and want our players to enjoy Wrath of the Lich King; they just spent the last couple of years working hard and investing themselves deeply in making it what it is. Whether you opt to do partake of their creation is a choice.

Even if the decision is made to make the Honor based PvP gear available again, this may take some time. In the meanwhile, If one really wants to stay at 70 and PvP, then it may be a good idea to see about acquiring the Season 4 pieces that remain available for purchase. None of those Brutal pieces should have an arena rating requirement anymore and they are the absolute best PvP pieces available at level 70, and superb leveling gear to boot. Regardless, it might very well be worth the extra effort to acquire those pieces, if you are inclined to do so.