Tom Chilton:"It is OK Warlocks are OP in PVP"

#0 - Aug. 20, 2007, 8:05 p.m.
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I just watched the Blizzcon PVP panel videos on Youtube, and I am DISGUSTED by the attitude of the developers towards balancing classes. Please note that this is NOT about the OPness of warlocks, I"m merely using warlocks as an example to demonstrate Blizzard's ignorance towards PVP balance of difference scales


The said videos, a series of 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbolVrSOO0



Tom Chilton basically said, it's OK warlocks are OP in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3, as long as they aren't over represented in 5v5, we have no plans of fixing them.

Tom Chilton said Warlocks are "supposed to be the most powerful class in duels and 1v1 pvp, but WoW pvp is not about dueling". Well for starters, most of the world PVP encounters ARE one on one, and what balance is there if one class can dominate another class entirely due to poorly designed class mechanism? Most players don't get to play 5v5 arenas, and their only PVP encounters are from fighting similar leveled players of the other faction in the questing zone.

Secondly, Tom Chilton said Warlocks' power in one on one CARRIES OVER to 2v2 and 3v3 in Arenas, but because Warlocks aren't over represented in 5v5, this is acceptable too. Well news flash Mr. Chilton, 2v2 and 3v3 Arena teams, although not as much as 5v5, get arena ratings too. So why should points earned in a unbalanced PVP bracket be redeemed for the top items in the game? It simply defies all logic, but he brushes it off so casually like it is of no concern.


Last but not least, Tom Chilton said "I tried the "HUTER THING", and just couldn't do it." This is solid evidence that the lead designers don't play the hunter class at all and has no idea how the core mechanism of the class is flawed and has no plans to look into it. Frankly this is a huge insult to the hunter class, even Blizzard lead designers think the class is a joke.




#236 - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:04 a.m.
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Tom Chilton basically said, it's OK warlocks are OP in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3, as long as they aren't over represented in 5v5, we have no plans of fixing them.


You're welcome to your own interpretation, but I believe what I'm getting at is more like...

- Warlocks are very strong in 1v1, but not only do we not try to claim wow will be balanced for 1v1 pvp (even though in a perfect world I'd love to have 1v1 balance be as close as we can reasonably get it), it's also the case that almost any 1v1 scenario that isn't just a duel is heavily influenced by the conditions under which the 1v1 happens (ie: one character low on health or mana, already used important cooldowns, etc).

- 2v2, 3v3, 5v5, and up (including battlegrounds, instances, raids, etc) are all important, but it's tricky to affect one where balance is off without screwing up another where the balance is acceptable. One example being where warlocks are very strong in 1v1 or 2v2, yet aren't over-represented in 3v3 or 5v5.

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Tom Chilton said Warlocks are "supposed to be the most powerful class in duels and 1v1 pvp


Are you sure I personally said "supposed to", or are words being put into my mouth? I may be wrong, seeing as though I haven't watched the videos myself, but I really don't think I used the words "supposed to".

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Last but not least, Tom Chilton said "I tried the "HUTER THING", and just couldn't do it." This is solid evidence that the lead designers don't play the hunter class at all and has no idea how the core mechanism of the class is flawed and has no plans to look into it. Frankly this is a huge insult to the hunter class, even Blizzard lead designers think the class is a joke.


Again, I'm pretty sure you're claiming I said something I didn't even say. If I recall correctly, one of our item designers may have said something to that effect, but again, unless my memory is way off on this I never made the statement you're claiming I made.

Also, with regard to "my daughter" playing a warlock, I think one of the players in this thread is confusing me with someone else. I certainly don't have a daughter that plays a warlock. So again, more fun with people attributing things to me that aren't even accurate (along with quite a few other random tidbits of misinformation in this thread). Gogo internet!
#246 - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:09 a.m.
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1v1 should be balanced across all races , all specs. That will lead to balanced 2v2 and then 3v3 and then to 5v5.


... because every spell/ability/talent scales the same way right?
#398 - Aug. 21, 2007, 1:04 a.m.
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The better question is, Kalgan.

Is it acceptable to you, the game developers, where Warlocks are?


Nope. Although I could probably say that to varying degree about any class depending on what particular part of the game you're talking about.

Patch 2.2 has the resilience change for starters, and patch 2.3 has more changes, including improvements to a lot of the things that were discussed at blizzcon.
#474 - Aug. 21, 2007, 1:38 a.m.
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And does that include toning down Stormherald swinging, Mortal Strike Warriors, who are dominating GROUP PvP? That's where balance is supposed to be met, right?

I see you hit Paladins with a couple duration reductions on Blessing of Freedom (2.2). That's one way to do it, but that's an indirect approach to the Real problem.


Yes, one of the changes is a reduction to the mace spec stun proc rate.
#498 - Aug. 21, 2007, 1:49 a.m.
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Snap. :(


It should still be as good as the other specs, just not clearly the favorite.