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Let's get the WotLK PvP facts straight

#0 - Oct. 7, 2008, 10:56 p.m.

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So much misinformation on this topic, and I haven't seen anyone sum the correct info accurately in one place.

The ilevels of the new equipment:

Crafted is i187 blues.
Unrated Arena/Honor is i200 blues.
Honor off-set is i200 epics.
Arena 1700ish rated set is i200 epics.
Arena 2200ish rated set is i213 epics.

That's 26 ilevels for the widest discrepancy. The difference between S4 gear and S2 gear right now is 23 ilevels. The difference between S4 and S1 gear is 36 ilevels. The difference between S4 and the current Honored reputation blue PvP set is 44 levels.

And that's just for set pieces; everyone will have access to the same 8 offset pieces through Honor.

The discrepancy in average ilevel of gear between someone in all the best stuff Honor can buy and all the best stuff Arena points can buy will actually be narrower in the expansion than it is today. The difference between someone in full crafted/honor gear and someone in the best gear you can get at 1700 Arena rating will be substantially narrower than it is right now. The difference between someone in full crafted/honor gear and someone with the best gear you can get at 2200 will be substantially narrower than it is now.

The only people with more than a 13 ilevel advantage are going to be the top few percent of players in the world.

Everything is going to be fine. People need to stop reacting emotionally and get their facts straight.

#7 - Oct. 8, 2008, 12:19 a.m.

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Thank you, Maczen. I think you offer an important perspective for those concerned about PvP itemization in Wrath of the Lich King.

#37 - Oct. 8, 2008, 12:33 a.m.

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Nicely framed and played. The issue is, "How do you get that gear?"

The answer is "Arenas". And that has some people upset.

I think you're missing the larger point of his post, which he further clarifies here:

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The point of my post, though, is to show that compared to how things stand today, the pure BG player will be MORE competitive relative to all players in the game than they have ever been before, short of GM/HWL gear pre-BC.

So why now the outcry? People merrily PvPing away in full S2 are farther behind Arena players today than they are going to be in full crafted/Honor gear in WotLK.

If I may take liberties speaking on behalf of Mac, I'd say he is asserting that it's incorrect to say "you must do arenas to get competitive PvP gear."

#57 - Oct. 8, 2008, 12:41 a.m.

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Aw, trolls can't post nonsensical comments anymore? That takes away 1/2 the fun of the forums.

1/2 fun = information gleaned
1/2 fun = watching trolls attempt to become famous or funny

Vv

His point has already been iterated by a couple of other posters on this page anyway. They just exercised a bit more decency while pointing out the differences in item budgets between epic and rare items.

#74 - Oct. 8, 2008, 12:49 a.m.

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Unrated Arena/Honor is i200 blues.
Honor off-set is i200 epics.
Arena 1700ish rated set is i200 epics

So you're claiming that Unrated arena point items and Rated arena point items have exactly the same stats? Really? I find that hard to believe...

I'm absolutely positive I didn't say that.

#88 - Oct. 8, 2008, 12:53 a.m.

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I saw it, and yeah, I'm actually quite shocked at how many people on these forums have no idea what item level means exactly.

Including the CM lulz.

Please don't mischaracterize what I've said in this thread.

#111 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:07 a.m.

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I don't normally quote chunks of text that large, but I agreed with everything you said here. I keep getting this weird feeling. Like, I remember back when they added BGs in the first place and we all jumped on board, and now it feels like Blizzard is saying "No no no, now we want you to go do THIS instead! Why are you still doing Battlegrounds?"

That certainly wasn't our intention. There's been a lot of discussion about World of Warcraft PvP 'round these parts for some time now. For those looking to the Wrath launch, I know this non-committal statement doesn't help. I just want you to know that we have no intention to phase out battlegrounds for arenas, and you should expect to see proof of this in the future.

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Why are you still here?

It is sad to say this, as a gamer who has been playing blizz's games since blackthorne, they are all about money now. They've grown, became a big money profiting organization. They don't care unless you cut your 15$ a month.

I mean I've been playing this game since day 1, and just got a beta invite for WOTLK, when I have canceled my account. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Leave the game, thats what I did. Kalgan's statement itself proves how much they are hurt fromt he competition.

I think we can probably agree on one thing:

If you decide to fill in large gaps of logic by formulating cynical, unfounded theories, you probably do need a break.

#125 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:18 a.m.

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But even with new battlegrounds you are still gonna shove Arenas down our throats even though they have NOTHING to do with the faction conflict that is at the heart of the entire game history of Warcraft. Oh and some people don't find them fun or consider them anything but "glorified dueling". But Arenas are now essential to PvP. Because E-sport. Because you said so.

Kalgan and Tigole have already touched on this subject. Right now under the current functionality of arenas and battlegrounds, regardless of your perception, it is a fact that skill is more easily measured in arenas. We intend to change this, but don't want to throw a band-aid on it and move on. We do fully intend to shift more focus back to the war between the Horde and Alliance, both using world PvP and battlegrounds. This isn't something that's going to happen for the Wrath of the Lich King launch, nor immediately after. That said, we want to make sure we have a fun, competitive, and engaging PvP system that rewards players based on skill and does not necessarily require arena matches as a verifier.

People do enjoy arenas. People don't enjoy arenas. We are aware of this. What we're saying is we don't design the game to ensure e-sport is the focus; and if there is a greater perception within the player base that this is the case, we have some areas upon which to improve for the future of World of Warcraft PvP.

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z,

i think the point that people are trying to get across is that you can NOT compare two items of the same item level if they are different item qualities.

epic items follow a different formula for calculating item level than superior(blue) items do.

I do fully understand this point, and did so before ever posting in this thread. My agenda for posting in this thread was to reinforce the notion that competitive PvP gear can be obtained without arena points.

#145 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:29 a.m.

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So please, spare me these "you're being paranoind" stuff. I know I am right, you know I am right, but you can't admit it, because they pay your salary. Simple as that.

And now I'd like to take my leave please!

I never claimed you're paranoid. I only poked at the faulty argument used whenever someone formulates a conspiracy theory. You don't create a hypothesis by filling in gaps of information with ideas and then ask to be proven wrong.

Well... I don't know. Maybe you are just paranoid. Just don't speak for me. If I felt like there was a lack of passion going into our games, and a lack of talented individuals inspired to make great games working here, I wouldn't be here either. I might instead be hiding behind a monitor spit-balling theories and presenting them as facts while arguing that everyone who disagrees with me knows I'm right and just won't admit it.

#153 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:32 a.m.

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I think it was misleading. I did not know they have different calculations for ilvl blue and purple items, until that guy posted.

I do apologize. I did not intend to mislead people. I usually only try to intentionally mislead people, which wasn't the case here. :p

#158 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:33 a.m.

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even if the gap is narrower as you say it is between the gear in the expansion, its still not equal. BG players can be just as good as ARENA players, why, should their gear be ANY better than that of BG players?!

ridicurous.

The Blues post shows they hate BG players.

I say boycott Arena 100% in WOTLK.

If you're referring to my personal preference in the game, I'm actually not a huge fan of arenas. I spend most of my play time in battlegrounds and have accumulated hundreds of thousands of kills to show for it. The majority of which probably came from a few 8-hour Alterac Valley games back in the day. ;)

#169 - Oct. 8, 2008, 1:38 a.m.

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Indeed. It takes human interaction to ignore valid points, which he/she is damn good at.

But I still appreciate what he/she did say, even if I don't agree with it.

Your point about the rare-quality PvP set, which has been stated often over the last week, is valid and I intend to inquire further about this. Preparation for BlizzCon has made things a little hectic around here.

#214 - Oct. 8, 2008, 2:28 a.m.

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Hundreds of thousands? Really now?

I find that hard to believe. Unless you grinded about 5 characters to High Warlock. I call blizzard hacks.

Ouch, you're right. I just double-checked the armory for my main character. I haven't played him on live realms in a few months now. He's around 40,000 kills.

#224 - Oct. 8, 2008, 2:44 a.m.

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HYPERBOLE ALERT - HYPERBOLE ALERT!!! *BOOP BOOP BOOP* STAND CLEAR FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, I REPEAT STAND CLEAR. THE AUTHORITIES HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

Not everyone should be expected to follow the progression of a conversation in a thread and retort with reasonable assertions or statements.

#496 - Oct. 8, 2008, 9:14 p.m.

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Given the tone of the last page of this thread it can't end fast enough.

#498 - Oct. 8, 2008, 9:15 p.m.

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Case in point.