Please explain arena points system to me.

Q u o t e:

I dont understand the current arena points system, is it bugged, or just messed up.

Played a game against much harder teams, they were getting +4 or 5, we were loosing -17 and 18 points, i dont understand why this is. Hopefully someone can help me with a legitamate reason for this.

If you are on a team and you are getting small point increases for a win and large point decreases for a loss, it is because your matchmaking (hidden) rating is lower or higher than your Team Rating. Here is an example:

You start a new team and start playing at 1500 team rating. Due to previous game history, your matchmaking (hidden) rating has you listed as a 1200 bracket player already because it persists regardless of team swaps. The system will then match you against 1200 rated players due to your matchmaking rating telling it that you should be fighting opponents of this skill level. If you then proceed to play quite a few games, and end up going half and half with wins/losses, you will make your way down to 1200 team rating. Why?

Look at it like this: your team rating is 1500, yet you are fighting 1200 rated opponents. If you are winning 50% and losing 50% of your games, it means you are fighting on an equal level with 1200 rated players, not 1500. Remember, a 300 point difference means few points in a win and big points for a loss.

Under the old system, what would happen in this case is that a 1200 bracket quality player would form a new team and lose 50 games straight plummeting down directly to 1200 team rating and then start going 50/50. Under the new system, the difference is that a 1200 rated player starting a new team at 1500 rating would still move towards 1200 team rating, but win half of his games in the process.

Equally, this works in reverse.

We've seen questions along the lines of "How can I go 61-50 and end up with 2100 team rating?" Well, the same rule set applies. Upon creating a fresh 1500 rated team, the matchmaking (hidden) rating remains unchanged indicating that the player is in the 2000ish bracket. When the system then matches your newly formed arena team against opponents, it uses your matchmaking rating to match you up against other players in the 2000ish bracket. If you then go with a 50/50 wins to loss ratio, it means you are playing at a 2100 rating level by beating half the 2100 rated teams you face and losing the other half.

The effect of this is that your point gain will yield numbers that results in your team rating moving up to the same level of opponents you are going 50/50 with.

Hope this clarifies some of the confusion.

Q u o t e:
I have exact same experience at somewhere around 1200 rating. We fought one team maybe 4 times, ended up 2 wins, 2 loses. Still both teams lost maybe 50 rating and gained 5 during all that time. Quite sick, tbh.

It is likely that is due to your opposing team also having a low matchmaking (hidden) rating and a higher team rating, perhaps after a team reset.

Imagine this, the players in both team A and B are 1200 rated players. The teams are then reset to 1500 team rating and both teams queue up against each other. The situation we then have is the following:

Team A: 1200 matchmaking rating and 1500 team rating.
Team B: 1200 matchmaking rating and 1500 team rating.

Lets say that you face this same team 50 times in a row with a 50% win rate. The end result of this is that both teams will end up with around 1200 team rating. Why? Because this is the same situation as described in the previous post happening to both teams at once.

In short, both teams are in reality 1200 rated teams due to matchmaking rating, and going 50/50 with an equally ranked team will ensure that both teams' team rating tries to match the respective matchmaking (hidden) ratings.

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People winning 40 games and losing 40games in the same team and at 2.2k rating is completely balanced....

Let's leave the sarcasm behind and get straight to the point: In the past, if your team was at around 2.2k rating and you played 80 games, of which 40 were wins and 40 were losses, what rating would you be at roughly? What I am implying with that comment is that in general, a 50% win rate would result in close to no rating movement in the previous system - thus remaining stable around 2.2k.

The biggest difference from before is that the new system "remembers/knows" what level of skill/rating you belong in and will push your team rating towards this level while matching you up against equally rated teams - even in a 50/50 win/loss situation. Recalling from previous seasons, a complaint we saw from players was that high rated players were resetting their rating and stomping lower rated or new players in the lower brackets on their way back up. This system aims to alleviate that problem and should match players more correctly against other teams around the same skill/rating level.

Q u o t e:
My question is how can we boost up our hidden rating so that we can start to gain rating normally and start getting our team rating higher so that we too can compete for the deadly gladiator rewards.

By winning arena games :)

Once your rating stabilizes you grow your hidden rating with each win.