05/09 Free character migration

#0 - Sept. 5, 2007, 10:55 a.m.
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Due to population differences between some of the highest and lowest populated PvP realms, the following Free Character Migration will be available from September 5th to 11th:

From: Frostmane, Grim Batol, Kazzak, Outland
To: Boulderfist, Burning Blade, Daggerspine

From: Stonemaul, Warsong
To: Shadowmoon

Please note that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high.

FAQ: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/charactermove.html
#8 - Sept. 5, 2007, 12:22 p.m.
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Quick correction of dates after an even quicker copy/paste and (thus faulty) edit of the previous migration post. :p
#11 - Sept. 5, 2007, 3:34 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
One question to Blizzard...When is the time u will open transfers away from Twilights Hammer to somewhere else? And make Twilights Hammer a Greek realm, 80% of its population is already Greek!

Migration away from a realm is always based on the population of the realm. The "from" realms are always the highest populated ones, or those just below in the case we're running several rounds of migration back to back.

I can also add that destination realms are also typically the lowest populated ones, though in some cases other realms (that can fit a good number of extra players) may be chosen to better encourage people to migrate if previous migrations have had less effect than desired.
#13 - Sept. 5, 2007, 3:42 p.m.
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I was just wondering, when will there be a free-migration from Kor'gall realm?

When (read: if) it's among the highest populated realms, and we feel the highest realms need to offload people and/or some lower populated realms need more people. That goes for Tarren Mill too, and also any other realms people might enquire about. ;)
#16 - Sept. 5, 2007, 4:13 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
If you say that a migrate away from a server is due to high population why did Shadowmoon had a free migrate away only a few weeks ago and now has 2 incoming migrations...?

The migration away from Shadowmoon was large enough to make the realm suitable for incoming migrations.

Q u o t e:
Why move them to Shadowmoon and create an even larger Russian community?
Q u o t e:
Has this been deliberately to create an "unofficial" Russian community or what is the real reason behind this?

We never have a goal to create a large community speaking another language than English on English language realms. However, as past migrations from Warsong and Stonemaul have not been very efficient (and they're the two highest populated realms at the moment) we need to explore different options. If it turns out the migration is so high that it risks flooding Shadowmoon we will consider closing those particular migrations prematurely (with some notice, however).
#17 - Sept. 5, 2007, 4:14 p.m.
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I know Boulderfist isnt exactly having the best of population figures since the realm is Always on the Receiving end of Migrations but people like myself are tired of the low numbers and wish to move away via Free Migrations

Any chance of this happening?

We have no plans of using free migration to lower the population on realms already on the low end of the population scale. Free migrations are for the exact opposite.
#33 - Sept. 6, 2007, 8:46 p.m.
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Q u o t e:
Do you loose arena / honor points when you migrate?

Points already earned should stay on the character, also through migration.

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I commend Blizz's efforts to lower the population of the higest populated servers, but when the hardware simply is not on the level, why even bother? If any of these destination servers had even 3/4 of the population of Grim Batol it would already have 400+ queues and insane lagspikes, unless all of these old extremely bad hardware servers were moved to better hardware that is actually as capable as the one on "new" servers like Grim Batol.

Anyone can clear me out on this respect? Because migrating to a lot less population AND more lag = no no and no thx :|

The issues affecting some of the older realms some time back were addressed, but unfortunately they hit while a migration was open so people moved off and now go by their experience from that time instead of the current situation. And the realm population caps are identical for all realms. ;)

Q u o t e:
You are very right Woa. Blizzard should just merge this server with one of the newest ones with low population. Is this possible to do? A server merge?

Technically, everything is possible, but with some complications and new issues - one of them being queues. "Low population" does in no way mean "half full or less."

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It seems to me that you're kinda contradicting yourself here. You "never have a goal to create a large community speaking another language than English on English language realm", yet you "explore different options" to get people to migrate from Warsong and Stonemaul by offering them a chance to join another heavy Rus-populated server. The different option that you're exploring is the option for russians to join other russians, meaning you will make their already big population even bigger, effectively creating a large community speaking another language that English on an English language realm.

I understand that it may seem that way, so I'll elaborate.
While it's never a goal for us to gather a large population of "other-language players" (for lack of a better term) on a realm. However, there is no doubt that players naturally gather in such communities, and we don't really see it as a problem unless there's a conflict between these players and the other players on the realms.

Now, between having these other-language communities growing to seemingly dominate a realm (and yes, their numbers are normally far less than what players "report" on these forums), and having queues of 600+ and growing on a realm, we have to find a balance and look at several options. A carefully monitored migration to Shadowmoon is the option we're trying now, and we do not aim for this to be of an exodus/invasion size.

Other options will be explored once we see the popularity of the migration, and I can't discuss those here and now as there are elements I may not divulge that are key to the considerations.

Q u o t e:
I have two questions for you, that I hope you can answer without contradicting yourself:

1. Why do you not open Rus only servers like you've done for other heavily populated nations that prefer their own language over English (i.e. French, German, Spanish)

2. if this transfer results in an even bigger russian problem on Shadowmoon than we are already experiencing, will you be offering us another free migration away from the realm, even if the realm won't be "full".

1. The languages we label realms with are the ones the game client is available in: English, French, German and Spanish.

2. It's one of the options.
#43 - Sept. 6, 2007, 10:36 p.m.
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example:
FRANCE:Population:64,102,140
GERMANY:Population:82,314,900

RUSSIA:Population:142,754,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SPAIN+ lets say protugal: 45,116,894 + 10,848,692..need i calculate?

Unfortunately it's not that simple. A country's population is not a representative number of how large a percentage of the MMOG community the country's language represents.
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but how can a country with a lot of worlds first such as man and woman in space doesnt seem to be worthy of a server in wow is beyond me:S

Achievements of this kind is in no way a factor in whether the game will be localised to a language. How it can even be made an argument on this topic is honestly beyond me.

The concerns have been noted, and additional localisations would definitely be cool, but please try to keep the arguments somewhat relevant.
#65 - Sept. 11, 2007, 9:55 a.m.
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After this Period, is there any chance that you'll create a new server?

since there's only 1 recommended (Green) Pvp server left.

We've chosen to have the Recommended tag on only one PvP realm to get more new people on that one (as it was a bit behind the others on population), not because it's the only lower populated one. In a week or two we might spread the tag around a bit more again.

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If the migration fails and the server population status doesn't improve, what measures are you going to possibly take?

That's not something I'll speculate about, as people tend to pick their favourite solution and campaign for it without knowing all the facts - and we simply can't divulge all those facts.

Q u o t e:
Why is there never any PVE server that is eligble as free transfer? Aerie peak has been high populated for weeks now and we havent got a migrate

The population on PvE realms is fairly evenly spread, with none of them having the Full tag and the Recommended tags working well. Hence we have no plans to do any free migration on PvE realms at this time.

Basically, free migration is used to address general population concerns. If you have a personal desire to move to another realm there's the PCT for that.

Q u o t e:
Yes, indeed. Skybee forgot to add Belarusians (~10 million people) and Ukranians (~47 millions people). Which in sum with Russian Federation itself gives ~200 million people. Not to mention a bit smaller Russian-speaking ex-USSR countries.

I think you missed my point. We're never going to base realms on the number of people speaking a language in the world. If we did, we'd have hundreds of Spanish and Portuguese realms at this time, all of them pretty much empty. Game localisation is market analysis, not general population and language studies. :)
#68 - Sept. 12, 2007, 9:32 a.m.
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Closing and un-stickying, as this migration is now over.
#69 - Sept. 12, 2007, 9:38 a.m.
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Free migration

I migrate all my chars as free transfer from grim batol to burning blade.
But one of them...a rogue70...still transfer pendent since last weekend.
That char have no auctions, mail, he isn´t guild member.
i wrote mails to blizzard and dont have any answer.
today is last day of transfer and im concerned with that char situation cause i want all my chars in same realm.
anyone have a solution or an explanation to this situation???
tx

If the character remains stuck, please contact a GM in-game about it.