So...What do you think about warlocks?

#0 - July 31, 2007, 11:36 p.m.
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Hello pplz ,
I play this game from the first day came out & i have a lvl 70 mage the matter i got in my mind is simple...
I have almost the best pvp gear in game but im still not able to beat warlocks with same gear that means around ~13-14k hp , ~350 resilence , ~800 spell dmg.
To be frankly now i write this post im not sure if i should make it a whine thread or a discussion cause in both situation i see 10yo childs say his stupid thinks , but i keep this thread for a discuss about my matters i got in my mind and i want your SERIOUS opinion about that...

I know warlock class is the nemesis class of mages ok i accept it but the problem is when the warlocks have full S2 gear are imposible to lose from any1 and i feel its not fair. Now here a warlock with 8k or 9k hp come and say but rogues are the nemesis class of warlocks , yeah they are but when you get 13-14k hp and a good amound of resilence they are not. Thats my point!

Warlocks with normal gear for me atleast they are fine the problem comes when the warlocks get the endgame gear wich makes them like gods.

Lets discuss about arena...
I have try any kind of setup like Frost mage ofc because like fire or arcane we all know it works only for max 1700 rating after this.........its impossible.
I meet all time setups like x2 warlock OR healer+warlock my setup is priest/druid/rogue + mage & my rating is 2000 and i stack there cause of that.
The problems make impossible to kill warlocks are simple for arenas...

-First they have crazy survivability (ofc i speak with endgame gear)

-They can drain life that means they heal theirselfs

-They can Drain mana that means if its a long fight they use that and the healer go oom and we lose ofc

-They dont have problem with mana because of LIFE TAP you know a Healer can just heal the warlock.

-They can dispell the enemy but and theirselfs and yeah most good warlocks use felhunter.

-They got healthstones wich i dont know if im unlucky but it crit all time for 4-6k heal? even like this with 2 talent points its still heal 2500 hp and no i dont feel like its fair because its not only for themselfs but its for all group and that make warlocks more hard to die

-They got the most nice think on game wich i actualy find it imba DOTS yes i know they nerf dots on next patch but serious have you make this question on yourself.. what nerf? lets see...
You need 400 resilence for 10% reduction of dot dmg is this something special? NO!

-Their dots heal well yea...If you are afliction..now point me a warlock wich is not afl on arena? ok they are some warlocks half afl and half demo (with soulink) but it still.....

-And now something i feel rly bad like mage AFL spec can used for PvE too something mage cant do because he must be frost and we all know frost sucks for PvE (i mean pvp frost not the pve build)

-Warlocks have good CC (crown control) rly tell me how fair its to dot some1 and fear him and wait till the dots kill him? while the mage CC heal the enemy? and tell me fear is 1.5 cast then you got Instant fear with 2 talents points and deathcoil. Yea i know trinkets can remove trinket and wotf from undeads can too but hey trinkets have 2 min CD and wotf well not all players are undeads Also about fear ward its dispellable.

Afterall the final think come to my mind is ok the warlock got 14k hp right? now add the heal they gain from dots , add the healthstone , add the life drain ... no need to tell me the number keep it for yourself ;)
Now add the heal he got from the healer...is it possible to die? yes it is if he is a casual warlock but is it possible to lose a skilled warlock?

You tell me re-roll warlock Hey this is my alt im lvl up him atm. But thats not the point , with this post i try to shake the mind of ppl & blizzard and do something ... how can they call arenas a balanced game and now the clever guy come and say :
Thats why you get 70% from 2v2
80% from 3v3
100% from 5v5 cause 5v5 is more balanced
and now guys tell me is this fair a class to own on other 2 arenas and be good also on 5v5? is that fair? cause i dont feel it fair.

Now lets get the mages ability...
A frost mage all he got is:
Fireblast
Cone of Cold
Frost Nova
Arcane Explosion
Thats the instant spells
Now add a warlock that run around pillars with exm...a healer ofc! lets say druid?
Now add the mage...
Warlock run around pillar While he dot you
you try to get the warlock but all you can use is instant spells wich actualy only fireblast is usable on that situation
So how am i supposed to kill the warlock with fireblast while he run around pillars and druid got cat form and heal him (if needed lol) and yeah he dot me and i got the pet dispell me and if needed silence me plz tell me.

I think every1 got the point of this post.

I could keep going write and write but i know this post will pass like the other millions post and blizzard will do just rediculus nerfs if they can called nerfs.


PS: First , second!
PS2: Before you post a L2P post plz let me know what i can do about this and if you find a way like mage i give you 1000g like the game is atm
did i miss anything? thx.

Have a nice day!
#131 - Aug. 6, 2007, 1:30 p.m.
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This looks like a very long nerf thread, hence the lock.

Please note that creating nerf threads is against the forum code of conduct:
Q u o t e:
Don't call for nerfs

Calling for a nerf on something is very provocative to those at the other end of the stick. Such threads are by nature unconstructive and in most cases considered trolling.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10701098&sid=1