Is ninjalooting bannable?

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Let's say that I want to ninja the black drake from OS+3D, could it potentially get me banned? Thank you.

If you invite members to the raid on a false pretence that the mount would be rolled for, then yes it is possible that you may be suspended or banned from the game. Also, the mount you would have acquired by Ninja Looting will be removed as well.

Revised Scam Policy: “Ninja Looting”:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200295161&sid=1

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In terms of loot, making and then breaking a clear in-game agreement on the way loot will be distributed by a Master Looter can be considered a scam. Unfortunately, some players will make loot agreements they have no intention of keeping to get players to join a dungeon or raid group. In these situations, players who disregard the original agreement and then take (or give away) loot in a different way are potentially violating our Scam Policy. If you believe you have been scammed, please contact In-Game Support.

I think this is what Vaneras was talking about.

Indeed :-)

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If loot rules are stated (I repeat, which most people ask for before a raid starts) and the drake is stated as up for grabs and is then taken by said loot "ninja" it falls under scamming as obtaining items under a false pretence.

This is correct.

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So what about

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I grouped with a "ninja-looter," can I get the item that I am entitled to returned?

Players that loot an item out of turn or against the group's wishes do not meet the criteria for scamming, and will not be investigated by the GM Staff. For more information, please see our related policy

Found at http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_GB&articleId=17382

This is true if no clear loot distribution agreement was made before the start of the raid. However, if loot distribution rules had been made clear and agreed upon, then we will indeed take action against the "ninja-looter"

More details on this can be found here:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13525766867&sid=1

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Me and at least 4-5 other people in the same 25 man icc raid reported a case few weeks ago, with enough detailed proof and even trade chat braging from these 2 ninjas (RL and ML) after getting an item unfairly, and nothing was done. Supossedly blizzard has total acces to all kind of chat in-game and this would have been enough to blame them guilty ( apart from other screenshots we took) and the item beeing removed.
The only response i got from the in game suport team was that it was their raid, they do what they want with the loot ( despite we had loot rules?!? ) so this goes against what blues have stated here. I was also recomended to make my own raid if i do not know or trust the RL / ML and then i can make my own rules ... Seriously?

I have no particular information about the events that took place in this particular raid you were a part of, but I can fully understand that you are frustated and even angry. That being said, it is important that you understand the difference between a loot dispute and a scam. We won't take action in case of a loot dispute, but we will take action in case of a scam.

If no loot distribution rules were made clear and agreed upon at the beginning of that raid you were in, the masterlooter of said raid did not brake any rules or agreements and was therefore perfectly free to do with the loot as he or she saw fit. If you did not agree with the masterlooter's actions in this case, this is considered a loot dispute, which we cannot do anything against.

However, if clear loot distribution rules were established in that raid you were in, and the masterlooter then proceeded to "ninja-loot" thus defying any rules made and agreed upon, then this is considered a scam, and in this case we should have taken action against said masterlooter. If you believe the game master did no act correctly in this case, or you feel that your ticket was not investigated in sufficient detail, please send an email to [email protected]

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You might want to show this rules to your GMs then, at least ones that work on Shadowsong. As there are ninjas (that stated rules on /raid) on the server, still playing, still wearing ninjaed items. Reporting GMs did nothing,

Please bear in mind that this is a relatively new policy, and we’re constantly looking for ways to improve and clarify the situation (for players and game masters alike).

Please email [email protected] if you disagree with the decision made by the Game Masters who handled your ticket. Our Senior Game Masters should be able to review the case if you do this.

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So what you are saying is, that if i join, say a voa 10, and then asks in raid chat, "there will be no ninja looting?" and the master looter says: no, and then still grabs an item not belonging to him, there will be action taken if we report it?

So all we need to do before we start up any raid or dungeon is just ask and if we get a no ninja anwser we have a "contract" ?

Again, I would like to refer your attention to the following thread in the In-Game Customer Support forums:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13525766867&sid=1

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If a clear cut agreement between the master looter and the other raid members was written in a public chat (such as raid or general) prior to the start of the raid, we will be enforcing that agreement in the event of a scam or a loot dispute.

Examples of clear looting rules:

• "LF2M DPS Icecrown Citadel. All tier tokens reserved for Guild, everything else will be distributed to highest rollers"
  
• "Organising VOA raid, Reins of Grand Black War Mammoth will be given to the highest roller. Not reserved"
  
• "LFM Trial of the Crusader. All loot will be distributed to the highest rolling players"