Warlords of Draenor Theorycraft Discussion

#1 - June 10, 2014, 1:12 a.m.

• Asking for details about how a gameplay mechanic works, so that you can simulate/model it better.
• Discussing how to best model/simulate a rotation/spell/whatever.
• Numbers! Math! Logic! Spreadsheets! Code! Statistics!
• Posting results of theorycraft.

• Giving feedback on how a rotation feels.
• Asking if we’re concerned that this spec/rotation/spell/whatever is too weak.
• Discussing design philosophy.
• Wishlisting.

#2 - June 10, 2014, 1:13 a.m.

• You always get a baseline amount of Resolve, based on Stamina
• This uses the formula: Stamina / (250 * ItemScaling[PlayerLevel])
• ItemScaling is a table with a value for each player level, that you can find in the DBC files. Ex: ItemScaling[100]=261 (EDIT: Correction, looks like it's not in the DBCs. I'll dump the relevant values at the bottom of this post.)
• This updates dynamically with temporary stamina buffs.

• You also get some based on damage taken, as a % of Max Health , and decaying over time
• The server remembers your damage taken events for the last 10 sec.
• This portion is recalculated every 1.0 seconds and on every damage taken event.
• Each damaging event grants 0.25 * [ Damage * 2 * ( 10 - ( Now - DamageTimestamp ) ) / 10 ] / MaxHealth
• This averages to ~Damage/MaxHealth
• This calculation uses the damage before damage reduction (% damage reduction effects, and armor).
• Damage that is not mitigated by armor (Spell and Bleed damage) grants 2.5x as much Resolve.
• Auto-attack damage that is avoided counts as the average amount of damage that that auto-attack would have done.
• MaxHealth does not include increased max health from temporary multipliers like Last Stand, or Ursa Major.

• Resolve is multiplicative: A heal of size X becomes size X*(1+Resolve).
• EDIT: Resolve does affect percent-based heals (i.e. "heals you for 20% of your life" would be unaffected).
• There is no quick-ramp-up mechanism or taunt-transfer mechanism
• Resolve will persist through shapeshifts.
• Resolve only affects self-heals and self-absorbs
• It will still have diminishing returns when attacked by multiple mobs (same formula/logic as Vengeance had)

#3 - June 10, 2014, 1:39 a.m.

• Renewing Mists = 0.25
• Chi Wave = 0.25
• Zen Sphere (Periodic) = 0.25
• Zen Sphere (Detonate) = 0.15
• Chi Burst = 0.15
• Soothing Mists = 0.30
• Soothing Mists (Statue) = 0.15
• Enveloping Mist = 0.20
• Uplift = 0.25
• Eminence (Self & Xuen) = 0.20
• Eminence (Statue) = 0.10
• Chi Torpedo = 0.15
• Spinning Crane Kick Heal = 0.10
• All Others = 1.0

#6 - June 10, 2014, 2:39 a.m.

06/09/2014 07:13 PMPosted by Collision

Thanks for answering our questions! :)

Clarification on leveling perks, are they consistently worded to show additive/multiplicative?

Ex:
Improved Raging Blow: Increases damage by 20% --- Multiplicative

Improved Unwavering Sentinel: Now increases your armor by an additional 15% -- Additive

Bonus question: Anger management, here to stay/gone? If sticking around, will it reduce the same abilities that eye of galakras reduces?

#7 - June 10, 2014, 2:42 a.m.

06/09/2014 07:35 PMPosted by Cyous

Balance Druids: Mastery procs interacting with Eclipse (+ CA).

Currently, Balance druids have a small issue with Mastery procs. Due to the Eclipse Bonus buff being tied to Mastery, trinket procs may greatly increase the strength of our DOTs (with DOTs making up ~30% of our damage, in the sims I've run, using T17N profile.) My concern comes with Balance of Power, where you get maximum Eclipse Bonus on your first set of DOTs. It's very easy to maintain your original DOTs too. Given a trinket procs Mastery, this will definitely inflate Balance of Power's strength.

But BOP isn't my concern, it's our DOTs snapshotting Mastery procs. I know I've brought it up in the past via twitter, but have you given it more thought on possible solutions? Or are you okay with Mastery procs existing as they currently are (allow the snapshot)?

(Given a Mastery proc trinket exists, I will need to include it in the action list for simcraft, as it does change a few things -- given it does snapshot)

#15 - June 10, 2014, 4:21 a.m.

06/09/2014 09:16 PMPosted by Lhivera

06/09/2014 09:10 PMPosted by Celestalon

Enhanced Frostbolt does not reduce its GCD, no.

I asked that incorrectly, although asking it correctly may not change your answer. The Early Frost talent didn't reduce the Frostbolt GCD, it reduced the minimum GCD, allowing the effect to maintain full benefit even if more than 50% haste was active. That's what I meant to ask about: whether the minimum GCD reduction was in place for the perk. Sorry for the confusion.

#22 - June 10, 2014, 8:01 a.m.

06/09/2014 11:01 PMPosted by Kaydeethree

Re the attack tables, what's the ceiling for values? Say, a level 35 creature attacking a level 100 player should have +97.5% chance to get dodged/parried/blocked from what's listed on the character sheet. Actual values don't get that high, do they?

-edit: Also, spell resist?

#24 - June 10, 2014, 8:18 a.m.

06/10/2014 12:45 AMPosted by Magdalena

-Does "proportional to costs" mean that each spec's Runic Power dump's baseline cost is used as a baseline? For Blood/Unholy, for instance: 30 RP = 45% chance to proc RE/RC or 2 charges of Blood Tap.

-Will Frost's baseline cost differ from Blood and Unholy's? Frost Strike costs 35 RP baseline on Live and is then reduced in actual cost with Improved Frost Presence- will this change?

06/10/2014 12:45 AMPosted by Magdalena

-Runic Corruption and Runic Empowerment are easy to understand since they work on % based chances, which will (I assume) scale with the amount of RP spent. What about Blood Tap? If we're going to see a "partial charge" system for BT, could you elaborate on how visible this will be in logs and the UI?

06/10/2014 12:45 AMPosted by Magdalena

-How will Shadow Infusion (Unholy DKs) and stacking health buff (Blood DKs) work with this system? Will some abilities proc them? Will they follow similar logic to what we've seen with RP?

#25 - June 10, 2014, 8:19 a.m.

06/10/2014 01:07 AMPosted by Kraineth

1. Are personal buffs like Savage Roar/Slice and Dice meant to benefit from the pandemic mechanic as well? HoTs are working that way too.

2. Are SR and Tiger's Fury going to snapshot? Currently they do not. Completely reverses the old idea of always having SR up before Rip, now Rip up before SR.

#28 - June 10, 2014, 8:53 a.m.

06/10/2014 01:47 AMPosted by Magdalena

Thanks for the confirmation. Here's some preliminary math I've done on the subject- could you tell me if it all looks OK, or if anything is off?

#36 - June 10, 2014, 7:48 p.m.

06/09/2014 08:33 PMPosted by Doubdan

-How is bonus armor working in terms of the mitigation, just like armor? I see a separate "damage reduction by xx.xx%" when I mouse over bonus armor and I guess that's multiplicative? Currently it looks very strong for tanks considering that it’s both offensive and defensive stat.

06/09/2014 08:33 PMPosted by Doubdan

-When I checked out wowhead for some datamining, I realized that with stat-squish affecting everything, the stats of low level weapons are totally in a mess where 164lv 2h could be lower than 115lv 2h and a lv35 quest reward could not find update until lv70…do devs have any plan to fix that to make up for the feeling of powering up and rewarding during leveling of new toons?

#39 - June 10, 2014, 8:51 p.m.

06/10/2014 01:47 AMPosted by Magdalena

The stacking health buff for Blood DKs is simply sliced in half. Every 15 Runic Power spent by Breath of Sindragosa increases Maximum Health by 2.5%

06/10/2014 01:53 AMPosted by Celestalon

06/10/2014 01:47 AMPosted by Magdalena

Thanks for the confirmation. Here's some preliminary math I've done on the subject- could you tell me if it all looks OK, or if anything is off?

Yep, all looks correct, except Sindragosa+Enhanced Death Coil, which I'm not sure about; will check tomorrow.

#40 - June 10, 2014, 9:22 p.m.

06/10/2014 05:43 AMPosted by Lhivera

To clarify Improved Blizzard perk: is it triggered once per tick per target, or just once per tick regardless of number of targets?

06/10/2014 06:07 AMPosted by Mendenbarr

Presuming that partial blood tap charges are effectively floored ( 1.3 charges is treated as 1 charge, not 2, in terms of being able to spend it or not), do you foresee any problems with the partial charges being useless? Focusing on raiding in PVE, and presuming that conversion seems similar levels of use to mists (read: none), we'll be getting 1 or 2 charges from everything bar Dsim, and it takes 4 Dsim's to generate a "bonus charge". Uses of Dsim are already few and far between, and looking for 4 or more uses in any one combat length is rare. Do you plan on having partial charges decay at the same rate as normal charges to avoid using Dsim 3 times prior to a fight to build up .9 charges?

06/10/2014 06:07 AMPosted by Mendenbarr

I'm also curious if you happen to have the ppm of rune of the fallen crusader, and cinderglacier, and if there are any plans to make ppms as transparent as rppms in the spell data.

#41 - June 10, 2014, 9:25 p.m.

06/10/2014 09:12 AMPosted by Kaydeethree

Ack, sorry, I meant elemental resistance (we needed FR for molten core, for example), not hit/miss. It got removed from the character sheet in 5.0 but it still exists on old gear. Does it actually do anything any more?

#43 - June 10, 2014, 9:33 p.m.

06/10/2014 01:37 PMPosted by Tinderhoof

Reporting an issue Stenhaldi found last night.

Ferals when shifting into caster form lose our Mastery, AP conversion from agility, Savage Roar, and the 5% crit we get from cat form. This is the way it has always been which hasn't been a problem until now. Previously if we shifted into caster form our snapshotted bleeds stayed ticking for the same amount.

Now that DoT's are updating dynamically if we shift into caster form current DoT's lose everything. I am guessing this is just something that hasn't been accounted for with the new dynamic DoT system, but I wanted to make sure it was on the radar, and verify that it is not expected.

#45 - June 10, 2014, 9:41 p.m.

06/10/2014 02:32 PMPosted by Delmortis

Regarding: DamageDealtFactor: What CreatureExpansion is going to be used for training dummies? (Including the lower level ones).
Is a TBC critter going to take more damage a WoD critter? Which expansion are the critters in Orgrimmar set at? (critters can be useful for testing damage etc. as they're often unarmored or almost so it seems).

#54 - June 10, 2014, 11:14 p.m.

06/10/2014 02:46 PMPosted by Delmortis

Any idea if those resolve ItemScaling values will end up in a DBC?
Also would it possible to get a dump somewhere of the base stats (and mp5/hp5) for each class per level?

#55 - June 10, 2014, 11:16 p.m.

06/10/2014 02:41 PMPosted by Celestalon

Training dummies we typically update to the latest expansion, for all levels of dummy.

#56 - June 10, 2014, 11:22 p.m.

06/10/2014 03:31 PMPosted by Kraineth

How does the new pandemic mechanic for DoTs work with specific abilities that snapshot?

For example: If I am specced into Bloody Talons and apply a Rip, then use a healing touch to gain the 30% increase on my next two abilities, and then Re-apply rip for the 130% duration. Does that entire duration of the new Rip benefit from Bloody Talons, or only the base 16 seconds(22 seconds with 3 extensions via shred)

#57 - June 10, 2014, 11:27 p.m.

06/10/2014 03:54 PMPosted by Doubdan

-I apologize for exaggerating the lv35 thing, but if you compare Apolyon from Sunwell and Despair from Kara, you would notice that weird inversion even they are from same expansion. Such inversion happens continuously in the wowhead link when we sort things by pure dps then look at their item levels, even if we restrict things to same expac.

06/10/2014 03:54 PMPosted by Doubdan

-The alternate factor formula seems to me that it would work for even a 100 toon with iLv higher than 609. Did I miss anything here?

#60 - June 11, 2014, 1:11 a.m.

06/10/2014 05:50 PMPosted by Lhivera

Does Improved Icy Veins affect glyphed Icy Veins? If so, how much additional Multistrike does it provide? (17.5%?)

06/10/2014 05:50 PMPosted by Lhivera

Is Enhanced Arcane Blast just treated as 5% haste for that one spell (dividing cast time by 1.05, multiplicative with other haste)?

#61 - June 11, 2014, 1:54 a.m.

06/10/2014 04:01 PMPosted by Simca

Celestalon, I know this hasn't been something you've done in the past, but providing the column headers for the different DBC files would be wildly helpful to all of the database/theorycrafting/character building sites that are trying to keep up with the huge amount of WoD changes.

I mean, I've been looking at the changes with BonusIDs, and just those changes alone will require MASSIVE revamps of Wowhead, WoWDB, and the official community API for items. Simcraft, AskMrRobot, and all of those types of services are going to be hit nearly as hard, since ItemID doesn't really mean nearly as much now.

I know how big you guys are on secrecy for anything internal, but DBC column header names have no malicious use at all.

#67 - June 12, 2014, 2:24 a.m.

06/11/2014 03:35 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

Presuming the latest tooltip change is legit

#72 - June 12, 2014, 7:30 a.m.

06/11/2014 07:37 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

06/11/2014 07:24 PMPosted by Celestalon

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It's not. The correct growth rate is 5% per tick, if it damages anyone.

No additional benefit from hitting multiple targets? Other than it hitting multiple targets.

#104 - June 18, 2014, 5:06 a.m.

06/11/2014 11:02 PMPosted by Collision

Will Fury Execute OH function like RB OH, Storm Bolt OH or Whirlwind OH? Also, did any of the following mechanics change?

#105 - June 18, 2014, 5:20 a.m.

06/12/2014 05:53 PMPosted by Theck

1) I'm going to use the term "Vengeance/Resolve DR table" to mean "the raw-DPS-sorted list of attackers the game uses to determine the diminishing returns factor."

The Vengeance DR table purged entries if that actor hadn't hit you in the last 5 seconds. Or at least, that's how I have it coded in SimC! Hopefully that was correct.

However, there are obviously situations where that won't work for resolve, e.g. an attacker hits you 7 seconds ago. I assume that the Resolve DR table uses a purge threshold of at least 10 seconds of inactivity rather than 5 seconds, otherwise the game wouldn't know what DR to apply to that attack.

So, question: is it exactly 10 seconds, or is it longer?

(In case this seems like an odd/irrelevant question, note that this does matter in a few situations. For example, a high-DPS attacker that dies or sits idle for 15+ seconds all of the sudden. That attacker is still bumping other, more recent attackers down in the DR calculation until the purge occurs.)

06/12/2014 05:53 PMPosted by Theck

2) Since the Vengeance contribution from an attack was only calculated once (at the time of the attack), DR only ever had to be applied once (again, at the time of that attack). Resolve contributions are recalculated every time Resolve is updated, however. This leaves a slight ambiguity as to how and when the DR is applied/calculated.

Is the DR recalculated every time Resolve is updated, or is it calculated only at the time of the attack? (An equivalent question would be: "Does the game store the damage and actor separately, or does it only store the post-DR resolve gain?")

To illustrate that idea with a concrete example, assume a tank being attacked by two bosses A and B, with raw_DPS(A) > raw_DPS(B). Boss A's damage events get divided by 1 for DR, boss B's damage events get divided by 2 for DR.

Now boss B gets a damage buff that increases his DPS enough that raw_DPS(B) > raw_DPS(A). Let's assume the next update happens when boss B lands an attack. During that update, one of two situations occurs:

(1) Either all of Boss B's damage events get divided by 1 for DR, and all of Boss A's damage events get divided by 2 for DR during the recalculation, or
(2) All of boss B's previous damage events still get divided by 2, and all of boss A's damage events still get divided by 1, but the new damage event from boss B gets divided by 1 since he is now at the top of the Resolve DR list.

(1) is equivalent to recalculating DR every time Resolve is updated, or the game storing both damage and actor, while (2) is recalculating only at the time of attack, or the game storing a composite post-DR resolve gain.

06/12/2014 05:53 PMPosted by Theck

3) Is the 1.0-second periodic recalculation independent of damaging events? Or is that timer reset by any event that recalculates Resolve?

Example: Boss with a 1.5-second swing timer, starting at t=0. Ignore avoidance. Would Resolve update at (underlines = periodic updates, normal = updates due to damage, ties bolded):

t=0, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, etc.

or at

t=0, 1.0, 1.5, 2.5, 3.0, 4.0, 4.5, 5.5, etc.

#106 - June 18, 2014, 6:04 a.m.

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

1. Anything that applies either disease, including icy touch, howling blast, plague strike, outbreak, and unholy blight ticks, will, if necrotic plague is already active, instead add 1 stack to affected targets, and not affect the duration.

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

2. Festering strike's 6 second extension will not change current stacks, but is the only thing that will add on duration to an existing stack, allowing for an additional 3 ticks at max strength per festering strike.

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

3. Pestilence spreads necrotic plague from a target that has it to targets that don't have it. Pestilence has no effect on targets that already have it, neither changing duration nor stacks.

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

4. When necrotic plague jumps on it's own, it jumps with it's existing stack size and duration. This allows it to naturally spread to 2^n targets, where N is the number of ticks. (1, 2, 4, 8. 16, 32)

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

When necrotic plague jumps on the last tick, does that tick spread?

06/12/2014 06:51 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

Unholy seems to be able to maintain a permanent 15 stack with festering strike, which spreads to all adds as a 15 stack, and whenever it falls off an add, another add spreads it back to said add. It doesn't seem to want to jump to a target that already has it, so how does the following case work?
T=0, duration on target 1 is 30 seconds, and 2 seconds on target 2. Tick happens, no open targets, no jumping occurs.
T=2, duration on target 1 is 28 seconds, and 0 seconds on target 2. Tick happens on both, Does the disease jump to target 2, or is there a 2 second delay before it can jump, having a tick be missed?

#107 - June 18, 2014, 6:06 a.m.

06/13/2014 02:50 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

Are the leveling perks in the spell tooltips?
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/47541-death-coil
lists 127.2% AP as the scaling value for death coil for frost and blood, and unholy has a 20% bonus from a leveling perk and a 20% increased scaling value, putting it at 152.6%. Is this the same 20% bonus, or do I need to multiply 152.6 by 1.2 to find the actual AP scaling value?

#109 - June 18, 2014, 6:34 a.m.

06/17/2014 11:11 PMPosted by Collision

06/17/2014 10:06 PMPosted by Celestalon

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In Warlords, as of next build...

Execute, Raging Blow, and Storm Bolt will work like this: Perform the Mainhand hit roll. If successful, also fire the Offhand attack, which always hits. (Same as now for RB, different for SB, new for Ex)
EDIT: Slight technicality here, if you're looking at the spell IDs involved in the logs. RB's root spell is just a cover spell that contains separate MH and OH spells. The root spell can miss, the MH/OH spells cannot.
For SB/Ex, the root spell is the MH damage, which can miss. If it hits, it fires the OH spell, which cannot miss.

Whirlwind will work like this: Perform the Mainhand hit rolls. Independently, perform the offhand hit rolls. (Same as now)

Thanks!

Just out of interest, (Current MoP), if I have 7.5% expertise MH and 6.5% offhand, why would the entire raging blow attack be dodged? There has to be some type of OH test for that to happen, yes? Or does it just average together MH/OH chance?

#110 - June 18, 2014, 6:40 a.m.

06/13/2014 09:32 PMPosted by Veldock

So my question is should demo form actually affect our dots?

06/13/2014 09:32 PMPosted by Veldock

Shifting out of demo form and then immediately casting any spell, that spell will not have your caster form mastery boost added onto it

06/13/2014 09:32 PMPosted by Veldock

That aside, I only got to use it for a day, but what is the intended use for demonbolt? The obvious seems to be cast it at full fury and then wait til you go below 40 to have it refunded. It just seems very odd when all the design so far has been to simplify rotations. Though another way to use this is just spam it at low fury levels, it gets cheaper the lower fury you have, and ignore the refunding portion. Assuming it does good enough damage to beat out ToC or SF..

#111 - June 18, 2014, 6:53 a.m.

06/15/2014 12:55 AMPosted by Collision

1: Will multistrikes attempt to proc from attacks that miss/parry/dodge?
2: Will sweeping strikes duplicate multistrikes?
3: Will multistrikes be counted into ignites?

#114 - June 18, 2014, 7:30 a.m.

06/16/2014 12:46 AMPosted by Collision

I know this is a very open question, but is there anything "under the hood" with the responsiveness changes that could impact theorycrafting? :)

#115 - June 18, 2014, 7:32 a.m.

06/18/2014 12:12 AMPosted by Veldock

So just to clarify, doom should always gain the damage boost from being cast in meta, even when not in meta?

Currently on beta if you cast doom and leave meta, it will loose the meta damage boost.

also side note bug, toc doesn't extend corruption to the 24~ seconds you can get from pandemic extending. instead it just extends it to the base duration. (I assume this is a bug).

#119 - June 18, 2014, 5:04 p.m.

06/16/2014 01:26 PMPosted by Purge

Is the radius of lava lash's flame shock spread centered on the shaman or on the target that's being lava lashed with flame shock on it?

#120 - June 18, 2014, 5:08 p.m.

06/18/2014 02:28 AMPosted by Magdalena

Could you elaborate on this?

-Say I have 0 stacks of SoB, and am about to begin AoEing. My main target has BP/FF at 20s, while another nearby target has them at 28 seconds. Pestilence, in this case, will take the 28 second DoTs and apply them to everything?
Still a bit murky about how 0 stack SoB works with NP, since on Alpha it starts by spreading at 1 stack/30s and then adds stacks after- is this all intended?

-Now say I have 2 stacks of SoB- instead of looking for a target with longer diseases, Pestilence will automatically refresh BP/FF on all nearby targets or spread them at full duration. In addition, it will add one stack to existing Necrotic Plague infections OR spread 1 stack/30 second Necrotic Plague to any targets without the disease.

#121 - June 18, 2014, 5:21 p.m.

06/18/2014 02:28 AMPosted by Magdalena

Vereesa (Verestrasz) has noticed that Pestilence for Unholy/Frost DKs seems to be spreading diseases at current durations instead of spreading them at new durations- is this intended, or a bug? If it's intended, could you elaborate on Pestilence's functionality for both DPS specs- assuming BP/FF and Necrotic Plague?

Edit: Also, will Pestilence behave better with big boss models and adds from now on? Thinking ones like Ragnaros, Al'Akir and Immerseus here.

#122 - June 18, 2014, 5:28 p.m.

06/18/2014 09:01 AMPosted by Theck

Related to your multistrike conversation with Collision, Shining Protector is also acting in an anomalous way. It's not really a theorycrafting issue though, so no point in discussing the details here. Bug thread thisaway: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13183868324

#128 - June 18, 2014, 7:06 p.m.

06/18/2014 10:29 AMPosted by Myy

Does the cloned dot include the current ongoing time-to-tick on the new target?

06/18/2014 10:50 AMPosted by Bouchbagette

What is the spirit regen formula/scaling at level 100?

06/18/2014 11:12 AMPosted by Mumrit

What's the mana regen rate of arcane mages now that the 90 tier is decoupled from mana?

06/18/2014 11:24 AMPosted by Mendenbarr

Can multistrike melee hits proc "on melee hit" procs like killing machine and sudden doom?

#130 - June 18, 2014, 8:46 p.m.

06/18/2014 12:30 PMPosted by Kraineth

How will Blood in the Water (feral execute, rip refresh on FB) work with the panedmic mechanic. Will it grant a longer 130% duration Rip, or will it always reset to the base duration like it does now?

#133 - June 18, 2014, 9:56 p.m.

06/18/2014 02:11 PMPosted by Komma

Please confirm this. My current level 92 fire mage on alpha has 1.8% mana per second, which is almost an order of magnitude higher. My template 90 arcane mage also has much higher mana regen than this quoted number.

EDIT: 3330 combat regen mp5 according to tooltip on naked template 90 orc arcane mage. Mana pool is 37000, which gives 1.8% mana per second. Is the quoted mana regen implemented yet?

EDIT2: Fix numbers and here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Gz5oH0C.jpg
3330 mp5 over 37000 mana pool, 3330/5 = 666, 666/37000 = 1.8%. This does not agree with quoted 0.4% figure.

#136 - June 18, 2014, 10:56 p.m.

06/18/2014 03:14 PMPosted by Komma

Thanks. Does this mana regen rate decay from level 90 to 100?

#137 - June 18, 2014, 10:57 p.m.

06/18/2014 03:36 PMPosted by Collision

#2 and #3 are currently not working. Sweeping strikes never multistrike, and multistrikes are not added to the ignite.

#140 - June 18, 2014, 11:59 p.m.

06/18/2014 04:08 PMPosted by Totalchai

What is the mechanical philosophy behind Eminence and Atonement?

#141 - June 19, 2014, 12:03 a.m.

06/18/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Collision

noticed that if Blood Craze is procced on consecutive autoattacks, it seems to become an ignite? It looked like it was adding the leftover dot into the next 3 ticks. Does that sound right?

06/18/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Collision

Oh! Any update on MoP raging blow weirdness?

#152 - June 28, 2014, 5:36 a.m.

06/27/2014 01:13 PMPosted by Blackhorn

Last time I tested them, those dummies were acting like normal mobs instead traditional dummies; they kept me in combat even after a minute without perform any attacks, instead of allowing me to leave combat 1 or 2 seconds after no combat action done.

#160 - June 29, 2014, 12:24 a.m.

06/28/2014 03:34 PMPosted by Erinph

With the auto applied serpent sting for survival hunters does the first tick go off instantly on each application to make up for imp serpent sting being removed?

#165 - June 30, 2014, 6:17 p.m.

06/29/2014 10:03 AMPosted by Collision

Noticed an unusual spell data change for wild strike in the current alpha build, as I was trying to find out why wild strike was hitting much harder than it should be, based on being an OH attack and the weapon damage.

http://gyazo.com/b61728c2be23b2103effa8d330235789

It's not often that an ability uses non-normalized weapon damage, what's the reasoning for doing this rather than just bumping up the weapon damage?

#176 - July 1, 2014, 5:26 p.m.

07/01/2014 06:14 AMPosted by Fierydemise

Couple question about intended behavior for rogue AoE rotations.
1) Crimson Tempest is currently proccing relentless strikes energy return per target hit rather than per cast, intended?

2) Seal Fate is currently proccing from fan of knives crits, intended?

#177 - July 1, 2014, 5:28 p.m.

06/30/2014 10:46 PMPosted by Purge

Not sure which are bugs and which are intended, so info dump:

1. Magma Totem seems to be benefiting from the Improved Searing Totem leveling perk. No mention of this in the tooltip, but the behavior would make sense so that the perk doesn't throw off the single target vs. aoe # of target calculations.

2. Searing Totem and Magma Totem do not appear to be able to multistrike, even though they can crit.

3. Our pets and guardians (primal + greater fire elemental, and spirit wolves are the only ones I've tested so far) do not appear to benefit from versatility.

#178 - July 1, 2014, 7:09 p.m.

06/30/2014 11:27 PMPosted by Desir

Is it possible to get a couple Healing Dummies thrown in by some of the DPS dummies? One of the big things I've wanted to test is Crane Stance, but there's no good place to do it in Shat that i can see.

Also looks like the dummies aren't targetable by Jade Serpent Statue :(

#184 - July 1, 2014, 10:32 p.m.

07/01/2014 01:19 PMPosted by Ahanss

Also for the dummies, the Mythic Tank dummy's Uber Strike doesn't look like it's increasing his damage at all. He hit me just as hard at 12 stacks as at 0, and somehow wasn't 1-shotting the warrior being healed through 80 stacks.

07/01/2014 01:19 PMPosted by Ahanss

On another note, noticed something odd about Guardian's mastery, Primal Tenacity. It says it won't trigger on attacks it partially or fully absorbs, but right now it's still triggering if it absorbs very little of the attack.

For example:
116900 (9801 absorbed) still triggers primal tenacity, creating a shield that's 9801 smaller than it should normally be for that attack.

This seems way too thought out to be a bug, but:
1: Is this intended?
2: If so, how little of the attack does primal tenacity have to absorb for this to take effect? 10%? 1/8th?

#186 - July 2, 2014, 12:42 a.m.

07/01/2014 04:00 PMPosted by Desir

For Brewmasters a Chi Explosion at 3 Chi does not proc Healing Elixirs is this intended? Just seems odd to bake in Purifying brew as something that might be rotational at 3 chi, but not let it proc other abilities.

#189 - July 2, 2014, 4:13 a.m.

07/01/2014 07:47 PMPosted by Tiberriaa

Moment of Clarity is currently removing the mana cost for all healing spells during the 5 second window after a proc, not just cast time healing spells like the tooltip suggests. Is that intended or a bug?

Regular Omen of Clarity procs (without the Moment of Clarity talent) are not being consumed by Wild Growth, even though Wild Growth is now a cast time spell. Is that intended?

#190 - July 2, 2014, 4:15 a.m.

07/01/2014 08:52 PMPosted by Grafarion

Can someone explain how versatility damage reduction interacts with other sources of damage reduction. For example my premade toon has 227 versatility(which btw doesn't seem like much) and the tooltip its reading as 52% damage reduction but that seems REALLY high especially considering the quality of gear and entry level position in the expansion.

Also does anyone else think that @ level 100 the stat ratings offer a really high % contribution from raiting points considering the squish to stats? I mean the values CAN'T be tuned/final yet for rating to % conversions or the DR on certain stats is way too low.

#213 - July 8, 2014, 5:13 a.m.

07/01/2014 10:40 PMPosted by Blackmorgrim

I was playing around with Devouring Plague and Multistrike tonight.

07/01/2014 11:18 PMPosted by Threebuttons

do you devs have additional factors in for things like incorrect items such as a warrior or paladin wearing cloth int gear so it doesn't count towards the item level

07/02/2014 08:11 AMPosted by Ariellè

1. Thrash impact crits are proccing Primal Fury (i.e. generating 5 additional Rage) per target hit. Intended? Note that this does not affect ticks.

07/02/2014 08:11 AMPosted by Ariellè

2. Theck noted that Sacred Shield can Crit and MS. There was some question around whether or not T&C can do the same thing. I assume not.

07/02/2014 08:39 AMPosted by Theck

I've also noticed some oddity with its tick amounts. For example, it will repeatedly tick for 6239 (non-crit, non-ms) in premade gear with no buffs, but once in a while it will tick for 6238, 6237, or 6233. This seems to happen in pairs on the last two ticks, as if those last two ticks are being affected by something (i.e. you'll get a string of 6329's, and then the last two ticks will both be 6233, or both 6237 - never mixing and matching). The difference is about 0.1% though, so I don't know that it's worth worrying about - it's just a curious quirk that I can't explain.

e: Also worth noting, Sacred Shield does not use the new "partial tick" system. It still works like HoTs do in MoP, where the duration of the 30-second buff is scaled by haste and rounded to the nearest number of full ticks. Casting it on beta with 4.25% haste gives me a ~28s buff, which matches 5 ticks of 5.72 seconds (from tooltip).

e2: During more testing, I've seen some cases where the last two ticks drop more significantly - e.g. from 6239 to 5626. That's now a 10% difference, which is enough to be worrisome.

07/02/2014 03:51 PMPosted by Ariellè

Has the DR formula for Dodge / Parry from Agility / Strength respectively been posted? I don't remember seeing it anywhere.

07/02/2014 05:07 PMPosted by Magdalena

The latest Beta build has a new Multistrike passive for Unholy.

Necrosis: Your Scourge Strike, Festering Strike, Plague Strike, Soul Reaper, and Pestilence multistrikes deal an additional (3% of Attack power) Shadow damage.

Based on the wording of this tooltip, I'm making a couple of guesses which I would be grateful if you could confirm/deny.

07/02/2014 08:20 PMPosted by Fierydemise

Hoping for some clarification on Shadow Reflection intended behavior.

07/02/2014 08:35 PMPosted by Binkenstein

Just confirming some of the interactions for the new Elemental Discharge mastery

#214 - July 8, 2014, 5:34 a.m.

07/02/2014 09:12 PMPosted by Leotharius

How much versatility rating is 1% increased damage?

07/02/2014 09:12 PMPosted by Leotharius

As an aside, is there any particular reason why mastery doesn't buff 5 mastery (550 rating)?

07/03/2014 07:43 AMPosted by Tiberriaa

The current mana costs of "efficiency spells" and base regen at level 100 do not appear to at all be lining up with the design goal Celestalon explained in the active mana regen removal post. If I understand correctly, efficient heals are supposed to be mana positive, and you are supposed to be gaining back mana while using them, and you can then dump off excess mana in exchange for burst and using "throughput" spells.

Currently, almost all of the efficient spells are actually severely mana negative. For example, on a level 100 pre-made with Spirit items in all available sockets (including a static Spirit trinket), I have 5928 combat mp5.

Healing Touch - 3680 mana - 2.06 sec cast
By just spamming Healing Touch, I am burning through 8932 mana per 5 seconds - more than 51% more mana than I gain back. Even with Omen of Clarity procs factored in, it is still 8196 mana per 5 seconds spent on average.

Rejuvenation - 3360 mana - 1.24 second instant cast GCD
Rejuvenation is also supposed to be one of Druid's "efficiency spells". Rejuv spam costs 13,548 mana per 5 seconds, nearly three times the combat regen on the ilvl 660 premades

These mana costs are fairly comparable across all classes. The mana costs on all healing spells, or at least those intended to be efficient seem to be upwards of 40% higher than they would need to be to even be mana neutral let alone mana positive. Is this intended, or are the mana costs currently way off?

Quick clarification about multistrike and absorb interactions. As I reported earlier, in my tests with Sacred Shield, I observed the following numeric results (expressed in normalized form), which I equated to the following combat results:

1.0: Regular tick
1.3: Tick + Multistrike (1.0+0.3)
1.6: Tick + Multistrike + Multistrike (1.0+0.3+0.3)
2.0: Critical tick
2.6: Critcal tick + Multistrike (2.0*1.3)
3.2: Critical tick + Multistrike + Multistrike (2.0*1.6)

What I'd like to note here is that these results suggest that multistrikes for absorbs do not crit independently. In other words, there is only one crit roll made for the absorb as a whole, which is then automatically applied to the multistrike events (should they occur). Another way to look at this is that the multistrikes automatically crit if the absorb cast itself crits.

Thus, the absorb amount is governed by the formula:

absorb_amount = (1+crit*crit_mod) * (1 + 0.3*multistrike1 + 0.3*multistrike2)

where crit, multistrike1, and multistrike2 are boolean 0 or 1 based on success or failure of that particular roll, and crit_mod is your crit modifier (1.0 for most classes).

Note that this is not how standard healing and damage multistrikes work. For those, each multistrike rolls independently for crit. So you could, for example, have a critical damage spell with non-crit multistrike procs or a non-crit damage spell result with critical multistrikes.

If absorbs worked the same way, we would also see results at 2.3 (crit spell + non-crit MS) and 2.9 (crit spell + crit MS + non-crit MS). In about an hour or so of testing, I saw none of these events, which should both be much more probable than the white wale 3.2 event (which was <1% chance).

This raises a few questions
1) Is this intended, or is it a bug?
2) If it is not a bug, then are crit modifiers applied in the obvious way (i.e. crit_mod would become 1.02)?
3) If it is a bug, and for damage and healing spells in general, do crit modifier bonuses apply to the multistrikes (I assume the answer to this is yes, but may as well ask)?
4) Is this crit/ms behavior intended for all absorbs in the game now, or is it just Sacred Shield?

07/03/2014 11:14 AMPosted by Purge

gainst the clump of 3 target dummies in shattrath, I'm either seeing 3, 3+3, or 3+3+3 chain lightning events (counting multistrikes). Seems to imply that multistrike roll(s) are done on spell cast rather than

#215 - July 8, 2014, 5:57 a.m.

07/05/2014 05:30 PMPosted by Myth

In regards to responsiveness change and hunter traps. Other than the change with removal of arming time is the removal of the batches every 400ms the only thing influencing the more responsive traps? I haven't had the chance to get into any pve or pvp with fast moving units on beta to check, but currently on live anything moving above a certain speed simply would not trigger a trap (even well after the arming time had come and gone). Guessing this has something to do with these batch processes and the location check attached to traps. Did traps get further changes to fix those issues or did the arming time in addition to the 400ms removal lead to the incredibly responsive traps we are seeing on beta?

07/06/2014 03:19 PMPosted by Collision

I think you mentioned at some point that you would try to get us base stats for all classes/races/levels, any update on that? :) Kind of annoying creating/deleting characters just to see that.

07/06/2014 05:56 PMPosted by Esoth

Quick clarification needed. For mastery, the tooltip always rounds down to the closest percent. Is this just a tooltip display rounding? I did some tests with BM and if I didn't round down I would get slightly off numbers, but it's possible I was doing something else wrong.

07/06/2014 06:13 PMPosted by Phys

Protection warrior blood craze seems to be behaving strangely, here are some questions.

07/06/2014 06:13 PMPosted by Phys

6: In battle/gladiator stance you lose the unwavering sentinel +15% HP buff. Is that intended? On live the HP is retained in battle stance, but is it different now so that gladiator DPS warriors don't benefit from the HP?

07/06/2014 06:13 PMPosted by Phys

7: Impending victory seems to be healing for something like 21-22% of max HP, either in defensive stance or gladiator (lower HP) stance. Why is this different than tooltip 25%?

07/06/2014 09:36 PMPosted by Collision

I come to you as a warlock ambassador, selected by those who are not able to post here yet. :D

Any updates on doom snapshotting? Currently, it is not snapshotting anything, whether it be the damage bonus from meta, or the mastery increase from dark soul, as shown below:

#216 - July 8, 2014, 6 a.m.

Posted by Collision
1: Will multistrikes attempt to proc from attacks that miss/parry/dodge?

1) Looks like they currently do, but shouldn't. (Or, alternatively, the Multistrikes should be able to miss). Will solve that and report back with which way we decided to go.
Follow-up testing to my previous question:

It looks like missed attacks are currently not proccing any multistrike rolls, while multistrikes from landed attacks are able to miss. This one-sided roll is punishing on auto-attacks. Shouldn't multistrikes be 2 completely independent rolls of the ability used?

Also, when you prevented missed attacks from proccing multistrikes, it looks like you forgot to extend that to avoided attacks as well, but that should be fine if you revert the missed multistrike change.

#232 - July 8, 2014, 8:15 a.m.

READ THIS! This thread is NOT for:

• Giving feedback on how a rotation feels.
• Asking if we’re concerned that this spec/rotation/spell/whatever is too weak.
• Discussing design philosophy.
• Wishlisting.

#233 - July 8, 2014, 8:19 a.m.

07/07/2014 11:33 PMPosted by Hamlet

By the way, Holy Priest is getting 1.3 and 2.6 size PWSes, instead of 1.375 and 2.75. Maybe intended since Divine Providence says "damage and healing" but seems inconsistent.

07/07/2014 11:33 PMPosted by Phys

Thanks for your answers. Sorry to lay the blood craze questions on thick, but...

Should an auto attack that causes two multistrikes result in a double application of blood craze (and thus heal for twice as much)? It seems to be doing that now. I'm not saying the behavior is wrong, just wondering if it's intended and thus probably won't change.

Also, I'm still seeing instances where a single multistrike event causes either 4 ticks or 5 ticks of healing. To clarify, this is without refreshes of the buff during its progress. The "lucky" 5-tick version heals for about 4.2% of max HP, the 4-tick version, about 3.3%. My main concern is with the variability in number of ticks. Perhaps some sort of timing/latency issue? Hard to model value of multistrike if the result can vary by 25%, with unclear rules governing the duration you actually get.

07/07/2014 11:34 PMPosted by Kihrawr

Will you be adding a multistrike bit to all of the _MISSED combat log events for the cases where multistrikes are fully absorbed/immuned/evaded?

07/07/2014 11:46 PMPosted by Delritha

I do have one question in regard to Multistrike. I noticed this with Chi Explosion but I just now tested before the servers went down; but are any of the ticks from the DoT from Blackout Kick supposed to Multistrike? Currently the DoT will not Multistriking. The initial hit from Blackout Kick can Multistrike and the damage from the base hit plus the multistrike will go towards forming the DoT:

Base hits for 50k
Multistrike hits for 15k
Ticks from DoT hits for 3.9k = ((50k + 15k) * .3) / 5

07/07/2014 11:57 PMPosted by Ariellè

Primal Tenacity and Resolve. You mentioned on Twitter that Resolve would affect PT, but it doesn't right now in Beta. Based on simming it definitely shouldn't, and PT might even need a nerf on top of that.

I'm assuming that you changed your mind on Resolve affecting PT.

07/07/2014 11:58 PMPosted by Pawkets

When you say change, I assume you mean make it so it can only proc off the primary target?

#242 - July 8, 2014, 6:26 p.m.

07/07/2014 11:07 PMPosted by Purge

I think that person was actually asking why the mastery buff at level 100 is giving 458 mastery rating instead of 550.

#251 - July 8, 2014, 10:46 p.m.

06/24/2014 03:13 PMPosted by Magdalena

So, I'm hoping to get a better understanding of how diseases (Necrotic Plague especially) and the new Pestilence will fit into all DPS DK rotations. It's fairly straightforward for Blood, but I'd greatly appreciate if you could comment on some of the following cases:

(Note: This is not feedback- I want to make sure I understand how each DPS spec's AoE rotation should look before actually commenting with thoughts!)

Frost AoE without Necrotic Plague: Howling Blast will continue to cause Frost Fever. Blood Plague will be worth utilising on Single-Target for both specs, but what about AoE?
On Live, it's currently not worth spreading BP with Pestilence unless 10+ targets will survive all 30s of the diseases- will WoD feel similar?

Frost AoE with Necrotic Plague: Howling Blast will stack Necrotic Plague very quickly for AoE purposes; Pestilence shouldn't see any use in most circumstances.

Unholy AoE without Necrotic Plague: Since Pestilence is a central part of the AoE rotation, we'll be cloning diseases constantly. This will mean that, assuming long term sustained AoE without Festering Strike use, we'll need to eventually reapply diseases with Outbreak/PS and then restart the cycle. Since DoT snapshotting is gone though, this won't be a problem.

Unholy AoE with Necrotic Plague: Since Pestilence clones Necrotic Plague stacks as well, this means that longer duration NPs are preferred- even if they're at lower stacks. This has the potential to be incredibly powerful when spreading 15-stack NPs to new adds.
But what will this mean in cases where we lack an existing 15-stack of NP to spread (i.e. no boss to spread or let it jump off)? Will tick rates even out to the point where, even with its resetting mechanic, NP will still gain stacks fairly quickly? Or will it be optimal to wait till NP has "jumped" and stacked a little before Pestilencing? I know Mendenbarr's initial numbers suggested that waiting might be better in some cases, but just curious what the numbers look like on your end.

Also, completely separate question: Will Breath of Sindragosa interact with the Plaguebearer talent in any way? By this I mean will it add stacks of NP or extend disease duration?

#254 - July 9, 2014, 12:15 a.m.

06/18/2014 07:17 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

BoS Unholy:
((Breath of Sindragosa Attack Power Coefficient * Number of Targets - Death Coil Attack Power Coefficient * Draenor Perk bonus/2) * Ticks - Death Coil Attack Power Coefficient * Draenor Perk bonus/2)/ Time interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery

((X*N - Y*1.2/2) * T - Y*1.2/2)/I = DPS

06/18/2014 07:17 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

BoS Frost:
((Breath of Sindragosa Attack Power Coefficient * (Number of Targets + Razorice bonus) - 4 *Spec bonus * Frost Strike Attack Power Coefficient/3) * (Ticks) - 4 * Spec Bonus * Frost Strike Attack Power Coefficient/3)/ Time interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery

((X*(N + .15) - S4Y/3) * T - S4Y/3)/I = DPS

06/18/2014 07:17 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

Defile Unholy:
Number of Targets * (Defile Attack Power Coefficient * Number of Ticks - Death and Decay Attack Power Coefficient * Number of Ticks)/ Time interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery

N*(X*T - Y*T)/I = DPS

Defile Frost:
((Number of Targets + Razorice bonus) * Defile Attack Power Coefficient * Number of Ticks)/ Time interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery
(Death and Decay Attack Power Coefficient * Number of Targets * Ticks)/ Time interval = Damage per second lost, in terms of Attack Power

((N+ 0.15) *X*T)/I = DPS
DPS - (Y * N * T)/I = Real DPS

06/18/2014 07:17 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

Necrotic Plague Unholy:
(Necrotic Plague Attack Power Coefficient * Average Stacks * Number of targets * Ebon Plague Bonus * Diseases Perk)/ Interval - (Blood Plague Attack Power Coefficient * Number of targets* Ebon Plague Bonus * Diseases Perk)/ Interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery
(Frost Fever Attack Power Coefficient * Number of targets* Ebon Plague Bonus * Diseases Perk)/ Interval = Damage per second lost, in terms of Attack Power

(X*S*N* 1.92)/I - (Y*N*1.92)/I = DPS
DPS - (Z*N*1.92)/I = RealDPS

Necrotic Plague Frost:
(Necrotic Plague Attack Power Coefficient * Average Stacks * Number of targets * Diseases Perk)/ Interval - (Frost Fever Attack Power Coefficient * Number of targets * Diseases Perk)/ Interval = Damage per second, in terms of Attack Power * Mastery
(Blood Plague Attack Power Coefficient * Number of targets * Diseases Perk)/ Interval = Damage per second lost, in terms of Attack Power

(X*S*(N+.15)*1.2)/I - (Z*(N+.15)*1.2)/I = DPS
DPS - (Y*N*1.2)/I = RealDPS

#257 - July 9, 2014, 1:43 a.m.

07/07/2014 11:33 PMPosted by Hamlet

By the way, Holy Priest is getting 1.3 and 2.6 size PWSes, instead of 1.375 and 2.75. Maybe intended since Divine Providence says "damage and healing" but seems inconsistent.

07/07/2014 11:39 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

How is rune of cinderglacier intended to interact with diseases? Does it snapshot the benefit? Does it use charges to apply diseases?

07/08/2014 06:10 AMPosted by Theck

Clarification: does this mean that Sacred Shield will eventually use the new HoT mechanics (getting one partial tick at the end that varies in size based on haste)? Because right now it's using the old ones, where it always grants an integer number of full ticks, and the tick time and overall duration change as you change haste.

07/08/2014 06:41 AMPosted by Theck

Unrelated: Uther's Insight (the buff from Empowered Seals + Seal of Insight) seems to be double-dipping on Versatility.

#258 - July 9, 2014, 1:48 a.m.

07/08/2014 12:00 PMPosted by Slashlove

Is the current Haste rating-->% conversion set to where you want it to be?

#259 - July 9, 2014, 2:44 a.m.

07/08/2014 04:29 PMPosted by Totalchai

Is it intended that both the Tiger Strikes mechanic and the ReM/RSK reset mechanics with Multistrike can proc from themselves?

07/08/2014 05:09 PMPosted by Desir

Will fight specific or quest abilities be able to multistrike? IE Scorpion or AIM from Paragons and similar things that give extra action buttons.

What about damage procs like trinkets or weapon enchants or on use trinkets like the Mini Iron Star?

#260 - July 9, 2014, 2:46 a.m.

07/08/2014 05:53 PMPosted by Mendenbarr

So the 11 ticks of damage hit for the same as 13.75 ticks of base damage. Are you saying the growth is multiplicative, not additive?

#261 - July 9, 2014, 3:13 a.m.

07/08/2014 06:18 PMPosted by Theck

07/08/2014 11:04 AMPosted by Celestalon

Avoidance Diminishing Returns Data

Any chance you can confirm the Q-values ( Str->parry and Agi->dodge conversions, pre-dr)?

#263 - July 9, 2014, 6:03 a.m.

07/08/2014 09:43 PMPosted by Tarraks

Could you explain the mechanics of Necrotic Plague in regards to its stacks? I noticed once I get it to 15 stacks, nothing seems to be able to refresh it or add any more stacks. Is that the intended mechanic of the ability or some sort of bug?

#269 - July 9, 2014, 5:09 p.m.

07/09/2014 12:46 AMPosted by Magdalena

Do these findings seem accurate to you in a WoD context?
Aside from your stated goal of not wanting Frost DKs to GCD cap as quickly, are there any other changes that we should be taking into account?

#270 - July 9, 2014, 5:16 p.m.

07/09/2014 12:59 AMPosted by Mendenbarr

So, for defile:
1 1
2 1.05
3 1.1025
4 1.157625
5 1.21550625
6 1.2762815625
7 1.340095640625
8 1.40710042265625
9 1.4774554437890625
10 1.551328215978515625
total: 12.577892535548828125

07/09/2014 01:42 AMPosted by Komma

Can we get an update on ignite (or similar) mechanics? More specifically, I'd like to know if anything changes with the removal of batch processed actions. The last we've heard is from GC back in 5.0, when he vaguely mentioned a tick protection mechanism when a spell lands too close (vaguely interpreted/guesstimated as 200-300ms) to a scheduled ignite tick.

Unfortunately we can't even find GC's old post anymore because it's been purged with the old forums. Arold has it copied here though, in case you'd like to reference it and explain what changes: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8178187904#4

#275 - July 9, 2014, 8:24 p.m.

07/09/2014 11:40 AMPosted by Twintop

A few varied Priest questions:

Can you shed some light on how Clarity of Purpose's smart heal splitting (based on health) works? Is it target capped? Is there a minimum heal that we can expect targets to receive? EDIT: Just saw your response here ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13087818929?page=10#186 ). Do you have any updates on a redesign or deeper calculations available for the current implementation?

For the current Shadow T17 2P (Mind Blast leaves a DoT on a target that does 10% dmg over 4 seconds / 2 ticks), does it have any Ignite mechanics like Devouring Plague?

#276 - July 9, 2014, 8:26 p.m.

07/09/2014 01:00 PMPosted by Sativ

Rogue questions here.

Should Spells cast by Shadow reflection trigger Talents?
Example Shadow Reflection Kidney Shot applying Nerve Strike, or Internal Bleeding?

Internal Bleeding can be Parried even if the Kidney Shot lands. intended or bug?

#277 - July 9, 2014, 8:31 p.m.

07/09/2014 01:22 PMPosted by Collision

Warlock ambassador again:

What is the exact coefficient for owner spell power to pet attack power for warlocks?

• Abyssal: 0.04688
• Doomguard: 0.09375
• Infernal: 0.04688
• Terrorguard: 0.09375
• Wild Imp: 0.09375
• Fel Imp: 0.6563
• Felguard: 0.6563
• Felhunter: 0.6563
• Imp: 0.6563
• Observer: 0.6563
• Shivarra: 0.2081
• Succubus: 0.3124
• Voidlord: 0.6563
• Voidwalker: 0.6563
• Wrathguard: 0.4376

#283 - July 10, 2014, 1:35 a.m.

07/09/2014 05:29 PMPosted by Ahanss

This is still bugged as of the current build, and MaxHealth is including stuff like Ursa Major and Might of Ursoc to count against Resolve.

07/09/2014 05:29 PMPosted by Ahanss

Versatility isn't affecting bear tank abilities like Tooth and Claw or Frenzied Regeneration. Intended?

07/09/2014 05:29 PMPosted by Ahanss

Tooth and Claw doesn't scale with resolve if the boss attacks something else (e.g. another tank, your treants, etc.). Makes perfect sense, so I assume it's intended?

#284 - July 10, 2014, 1:39 a.m.

07/09/2014 06:04 PMPosted by Jaydaa

RJW - I originally assumed that RJW would have a similar proc rate to SCK for Gift of the Serpent, but it appears on the newest PTR build that it has the base 1 coefficient. At least that's what I suspect since I only get 1 sphere every 1-2 casts with SCK and 4-5+ with RJW. I can't imagine that this functionality is intended, but I have to admit that I do enjoy seeing a larger number of spheres to use with detonate chi and passive healing, especially since they heal for only 4kish in the 660 pvp gear. Bug or working as intended?

07/09/2014 06:04 PMPosted by Jaydaa

Chi Burst/Torpedo/Uplift AoE Cap? - I imagined that with the returning AoE cap on the T90 Priest talents that other similar effects might receive a AoE cap or DR. Safe to assume that CB/CT won't and Uplift will still scale linearly with # of ReMs for the forseeable future?

#285 - July 10, 2014, 2:06 a.m.

07/09/2014 06:05 PMPosted by Theck

This seems to work, with the caveat that your're doing something funky with base strength.

#288 - July 10, 2014, 2:48 a.m.

07/09/2014 07:09 PMPosted by Desir

Are we going to see Fury generation values added to Demonic Servitude pets soon or at all? I would expect Doomguard to generate 7-8 based off energy cost, but not sure how that coincides with cast time compared to other pets.

#289 - July 10, 2014, 2:52 a.m.

07/09/2014 07:10 PMPosted by Esoth

Summary of observations of Dire Beast/Murder of Crows and their interactions with stats and a few mechanics.

#303 - July 11, 2014, 1:01 a.m.

07/09/2014 08:00 PMPosted by Purge

Will the unleash elements and elemental fusion buffs stack additively or multiplicatively? (they currently stack in a weird way that I can't totally figure out for the direct damage portion of flame shock, though the (still incorrect) implementation for the flame shock DoT would imply that the intent is for them to stack additively)

07/09/2014 09:07 PMPosted by Desir

So Incinerate, Chaos Bolt, and Conflag are all doing less damage during FnB when Sacrifice is active. Assuming some random bug and not intended.

From preliminary testing it also looks like Sacrifice is extending the crit buff to FnB Incinerate even tho the tooltip says it doesn't effect FnB spells. Assuming this is a bug as well doing testing for SimC and want to make sure they get the intended function as well as what's actually happening.

07/09/2014 09:52 PMPosted by Slashlove

I assume this is unintended and will be fixed/changed so that you must have your own Lacerate stack to use Pulverize?

#304 - July 11, 2014, 1:18 a.m.

07/10/2014 12:40 AMPosted by Desir

Regarding the influence of the interaction between empowered incinerate, grimoire of sacrifice, charred remains, and mastery: emberstorm on mastery

07/10/2014 01:18 AMPosted by Purge

Greater Fire Elemental:
1.) Inherits 27% of the shaman's SP
2.) Autoattacks hit for 100% of the fire elemental's SP
3.) 1.4 second base swing speed(?)
4.) **separate issue** Fire Blast hits for 50% of the fire elemental's SP as enhancement, and 100% of the fire elemental's SP as elemental. Fire Blast also crits for greater than 300% damage as elemental (bugged?)

Primal Fire Elemental:
1.) 1.8x Greater Fire Elemental's SP inheritance

07/10/2014 01:18 AMPosted by Purge

Greater Earth Elemental:
1.) Inherits 100% of the shaman's SP, and has a 5% SP->AP conversion
2.) 2.0 second base swing speed(?)
3.) Auto-attacks for 130% weapon damage

Primal Earth Elemental
1.) Bugged

07/10/2014 01:18 AMPosted by Purge

Greater Storm Elemental:
1.) Inherits 6.75% of the shaman's SP

Primal Storm Elemental:
1.) 1.8x Greater Storm Elemental's SP inheritance.

07/10/2014 01:18 AMPosted by Purge

Feral Spirit:
1.) Inherits 33% of the shaman's AP
2.) Perk increases autoattacks to 200% weapon damage
3.) 1.5 second base swing speed(?)

#307 - July 11, 2014, 2:05 a.m.

07/10/2014 03:17 AMPosted by Jaydaa

Hmm. Well I tested both chi burst and chi torpedo on the set of 10 healing test dummies. With the spells hitting 11 targets (including myself) there didn't appear to be a DR on either skill. I'm not sure if the AoE healing cap is higher than 11 or if the dummies don't count towards the cap since they're NPCs.

Seems to be the same with Divine Star and the test dummies.

07/10/2014 05:58 AMPosted by Slant

The latest beta build removed "Only base Runic Power generation from spending runes may occur while Conversion is active." from the DK Conversion talent tooltip. We rejoiced.

Unfortunately this component still seems to be in effect. Is this a bug? If not, why was it removed from the tooltip?

07/10/2014 08:44 AMPosted by Pawkets

Currently on beta Might of Ursoc is benefitting from Ursa Major two times, once when the value of the buff is calculated and a second time when the benefit of the buff applies to the player.

07/10/2014 12:05 PMPosted by Lifespark

1) If you have 10% Critical Strike, then 20% from Avenging Wrath, then Holy Shock should now be at 60% crit. Does the 20% extra from Sanctified Wrath get added before or after doubling?

07/10/2014 12:05 PMPosted by Lifespark

2) Does Merciful Wrath glyph also halve the benefit from Sanctified Wrath?

#308 - July 11, 2014, 2:29 a.m.

07/10/2014 05:38 PMPosted by Khazadir

Can we get a confirmation of the actual internal coefficients on Hunter Pet Auto Attacks and Hunter Pet Basic Attacks, please?

07/10/2014 05:38 PMPosted by Khazadir

It appears that Poisoned Ammo is not working correctly if the tooltip is correct. Currently, it ticks for AP/4 (8 tick DoT of total value 2*AP) and does not roll like Ignite. It also dynamically updates with AP. Is the tooltip behavior the correct intended behavior or is the actual behavior the correct intended behavior?

#310 - July 11, 2014, 2:48 a.m.

07/10/2014 06:18 PMPosted by Ikestorm

Regarding Elemental Fusion: Currently it is not buffing fulmination damage, is that intended?

07/10/2014 06:18 PMPosted by Ikestorm

Lighting shield: The tooltip on the LS perk says that we should be reaching 20 stacks of LS. Currently it tops out at 18. Which one is the intended amount?

07/10/2014 06:59 PMPosted by Binkenstein

Can you confirm the proc chance for gaining additional lightning shield charges via Fulmination?

07/10/2014 06:59 PMPosted by Binkenstein

Is this still based on per-hit like Rolling Thunder is currently (ie: up to 5 chances per CL cast)?

07/10/2014 06:59 PMPosted by Binkenstein

Do charges proc from multistrikes from Lava Burst as well as Lightning Bolt & Chain Lightning? (it's not explicitly listed on the Elemental Overload MS attunement, but kind of implied via the Perk)

#311 - July 11, 2014, 2:52 a.m.

07/10/2014 07:37 PMPosted by Khazadir

AP * ~0.65 (Armor Reduction) * 0.333 (coeff) * 1.5 (Combat Experience) * 1.1 (Spiked Collar)

07/10/2014 07:37 PMPosted by Khazadir

Any word on the pet Auto Attack damage coefficient?

#315 - July 11, 2014, 3:36 a.m.

07/10/2014 08:14 PMPosted by Lifespark

Alright, out of curiosity, will it be literally all benefits? So taking Merciful Wrath and Sanctified Wrath, would I be correct in assuming:

25 second duration, 10% haste, crit, and damage, 50% healing, 25% holy shock CD reduction (so pre-haste base would be 4.5 seconds), and 10% increased crit chance on holy shock, all of which, in total, once you count doubling, adds 40% total crit on Holy Shock.

#317 - July 11, 2014, 4:04 a.m.

07/10/2014 09:00 PMPosted by Blackhorn

Earthquake + Echo of the Elements:

It seems that an enemy target can be affected by only one Earthquake if multiple Earthquakes from the same shaman are active simultaneously on that target. Bug?

#322 - July 11, 2014, 5:44 p.m.

07/11/2014 12:28 AMPosted by Manager

Is there a certain reason that special ability multistrike rolls are delayed (especially the 2nd multistrike roll being time dependent on the 1st), while auto-attack multistrike rolls are instant and independent?

Auto-Attack: http://i.imgur.com/VPTqhcs.png
Special: http://i.imgur.com/5Qe2Kmx.png

This 0.3-0.7 second delay is problematic for Colossus Smash, as any multistrikes from the last ability in a CS window will most likely land after CS has worn off.

#323 - July 11, 2014, 5:52 p.m.

07/11/2014 04:16 AMPosted by Archimtiros

Should the Thirst for Blood talent be proccing off of multiple Rends? Rage generation gets pretty ridiculous around 5 targets.

#324 - July 11, 2014, 5:53 p.m.

07/11/2014 08:37 AMPosted by Sativ

Currently it seems SR doesn't gain bonuses from Find Weakness or Sanguinary Vein. This makes sense because it's a different 'entity'. Is this intended? Should a rogues 'pet' gain bonuses like this?

07/11/2014 08:37 AMPosted by Sativ

Another question separate from this. Should SR's Ambush/Backstab Multistrikes trigger Sinister Calling?

#329 - July 11, 2014, 7 p.m.

07/11/2014 11:51 AMPosted by Komma

This description of multistrike concerns me greatly. For rolling DOT effects such as ignite, if I understand you correctly, the following situation could occur:

#330 - July 11, 2014, 7:07 p.m.

07/11/2014 11:58 AMPosted by Austin

For a Fire Mage it appears that Combustion no longer resets the cooldown for Inferno Blast, is this the new intended behavior?

#333 - July 11, 2014, 7:51 p.m.

07/11/2014 12:27 PMPosted by Komma

The current AT POM Pyro-chaining behavior for building up combustions utilizes "ignite tick time gaming" a lot.

#334 - July 11, 2014, 7:55 p.m.

07/11/2014 12:44 PMPosted by Manager

The majority of raiders completely ignore the numbers that they are doing

07/11/2014 12:44 PMPosted by Manager

The small delay that you are using does not result in any multistrike-feel either, as they are still so closely spaced together that it feels like they instantly happen. You would have to be paying special attention to each and every spell in order to notice multistrikes (coming from personal testing, hitting the dummies for a few minutes).

07/11/2014 12:44 PMPosted by Manager

Has the Creature-Attack-Player crit chance formula changed at all, in WOD? It did not get posted with the previous info dumps on page 1. If it did not, is it still (5% + (0.2% * LD))? And can the base 5% be reduced by mobs lower level than you?

While on the topic of Creature-To-Player crit chance, can you explain the mechanics behind "Sit Crit", where sitting down will result in always being crit? It seems that this got half-removed in WOD, unless I did my testing wrong.

#339 - July 11, 2014, 8:12 p.m.

07/11/2014 01:09 PMPosted by Komma

07/11/2014 12:51 PMPosted by Celestalon

...

We'd rather remove that obscure, unintuitive, super-precise-timing-based mechanic. We're considering the best way to do that, currently thinking of changing Ignite to be a 1sec periodic, 5sec base duration.

Thank you. Personally I am glad to hear changes in this direction. I feel that the 1 sec frequency is promising, since it means you can't fit more than 1 spell between most ticks. While it doesn't completely solve the problem or avoid all frustrations, it lessens them to the point that we have other, bigger things to worry about. Theory-wise I wouldn't mind an even shorter tick time (0.75 or 0.5 sec ticks?!), I'm sure there are other concerns with gameplay for that.

#346 - July 12, 2014, 9:30 a.m.

07/11/2014 11:47 PMPosted by Tarraks

Could you elaborate what you were talking about in this Tweet: https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/487847450841841664 ? Specifically, I am confused about the mechanic you are proposing and the intention/reasoning behind the change. Is the aim for it to heal less then it does (comparatively speaking, I know all healing right now is insane) now? More then it does now? Or is the goal something else entirely?

#348 - July 12, 2014, 11:39 a.m.

07/12/2014 03:04 AMPosted by Binkenstein

Currently each Molten Earth proc is hitting for 1.25 * SP * Mastery %. I'm assuming number balances are required, but what's with the extra 25% there?

#352 - July 12, 2014, 5:02 p.m.

07/12/2014 09:27 AMPosted by Daliaa

It seems that eminence dont work with multi strike.

Is it intentional?

#362 - July 14, 2014, 1:54 a.m.

07/13/2014 12:48 PMPosted by Daliaa

It's me or Crackling Jade Lightning in Stance of the Wise Serpent with Jade Serpent Statue don't proc Eminence (Statue) ?

Is it intentional?

#365 - July 14, 2014, 6:14 a.m.

07/13/2014 11:08 PMPosted by Vigilate

1. For stat calculating purposes, how does the Night Elf racial Touch of Elune determine whether its currently night or day? Server time? Blizzard time? Personal region time? Skybox? How will it function in a zone like Shadowmoon Valley with accelerated night and day cycles? I don't think I've heard 100% how it's determined.

07/13/2014 11:08 PMPosted by Vigilate

Possible to get current proc rates/data on the various new weapon enchants?

#368 - July 15, 2014, 6:53 a.m.

07/14/2014 09:17 PMPosted by Necronom

Question: What about combinations of attacks that occur concurrently? For example, a simultaneous melee swing, on-gcd special attack, and off GCD special attack which all trigger multistrikes? How is precedent, if any, determined?

07/14/2014 10:02 PMPosted by Zop

06/09/2014 06:13 PMPosted by Celestalon

Resolve does affect percent-based heals (i.e. "heals you for 20% of your life" would be unaffected).

does affect ... unaffected

Am I the only one reading that as a contradiction?

#371 - July 15, 2014, 9:03 p.m.

07/15/2014 10:17 AMPosted by Regillix

If I post Pet Battle theorycraft questions here would you be able to track down the answer? Would it be possible to create a thread for just Pet Battle theorycrafting >_> ? I know that Pet Battles are nowhere near the most popular game feature in the game but I have some detailed questions about new 100% accuracy moves that will determine how I build my PvP teams going forward (not to mention the impact on many, other hardcore pet battlers!).

07/15/2014 12:16 PMPosted by Bidwell

For Power Infusion, does the change from "Spell Haste" to "Haste" in the tooltip mean that Mindbender/Shadowfiend will properly inherit the effect (like they do with Bloodlust and Berserking)?

#374 - July 15, 2014, 10:03 p.m.

07/15/2014 02:16 PMPosted by Morganlefae

Can we get an explanation of how Devouring Plague is intended to work now that we can reliably (at least at start of fight) refresh it before it fades. Is it similiar to explosive shot for SV Hunters? I tested it on an 85 training dummy and got the following (thankfully nothing critted during the test)

DP1 doing 37045 apply damage and ticking for 6173-6174 damage
DP2 applied 3 ticks into DP1 did 50696 apply damage and had ticks of 9887-9888 damage.

I would have expected the second DP to have had the same initial apply damage

07/15/2014 02:16 PMPosted by Morganlefae

Second, is multistrike being considered a different spell/source for effects that trigger like Shadowy Apparitions, FDCL(SoD) and DI(SI) and/or will Multistrike hits from SWP, Crit SWP, VT and DP continue to trigger their respective talents and passives or will those talents and passives be getting retuned on their Proc Chances to account for the reduced number of chances due to losing the current MoP Mastery's % chance of periodics dealing damage twice on any given tick.

#377 - July 15, 2014, 10:19 p.m.

07/15/2014 03:12 PMPosted by Shabadu

Lava Lash seems to be interacting oddly with Elemental Fusion. Stack up 2 stacks of fusion, unleash Flame, and apply Flameshock to the primary target. Dealt 18k, dot ticks for 3060. Lava Lash spread Flameshock to two other targets, starts ticking on secondary targets for 900, not gaining any of the increased damage from Unleash or Fusion. Is this behavior intentional?

#378 - July 15, 2014, 10:37 p.m.

07/15/2014 03:15 PMPosted by Totalchai

What's going on with Agi 2h weapons? The ones available on the Mekkatorque server are 2.0 speed, which is doing very odd things to Tiger Strikes uptime.

Why does the weapon swinging every 1.4 seconds have an 8% chance to proc TS but the 2 weapons swinging every 2.6 seconds only have a 5% chance?

Or rather, is 2.00 2h Agi weapons the new default, or is this just some weird quirk of the PvP gear? This is the first I've noticed that this specific subset of weapons is oddly incredibly fast, yet Monks still have 40% faster AAs with 2hs.

#381 - July 16, 2014, 5:37 a.m.

07/15/2014 05:57 PMPosted by Esoth

07/10/2014 07:52 PMPosted by Celestalon

They do 100% weapon damage per auto attack (ie, nothing special). They get 33.3% of your attack power as AP/SP/RAP (though, as far as I can remember, only AP matters of those).

Just to confirm, it looks like hunter pets inherit 100% of haste. Is it also 100% for crit/multistrike/versatility?

#398 - July 20, 2014, 7:55 p.m.

07/16/2014 05:31 AMPosted by Requielqt

Questions about Riposte, Tooltip says you gain parry equal to your crit %, which I assume means that if you have 15% crit from gear that you would get 15% parry chance before DR (thats whats listed under the crit tooltip). but what's actually is happening is the crit rating is converted into parry rating then into parry% so you end up losing ~1/3 of the % from crit (i.e. 1% crit = ~0.67% parry), is this the intend, or just a bug? Also trinket and enchant procs aren't included in riposte.

07/16/2014 05:31 AMPosted by Requielqt

Noticed that most of the armor enchants were marked as deprecated and the flasks seem to be as well, are the potions and food the only armor buffs left? (sorry if this isn't theory-crafty enough)

07/16/2014 05:31 AMPosted by Requielqt

lastly a clarification on Shield slams tooltip both wowhead and wowdb both say 3.83 AP but its closer to 3.08 AP at lvl100 in game.

#427 - July 27, 2014, 7:33 p.m.

07/16/2014 05:59 AMPosted by Dayani

A few days ago you said Healing Dummies were going to start counting as players for the purposes of target-capped AoE healing (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13087818929?page=16#307), but today I tested Chi Burst/Chi Torpedo and there was no capping behaviour on the huge clump of 10 dummies. Is this a change to these spells' behaviour, is the AoE cap higher than 11, or is this just still bugged?

07/16/2014 05:59 AMPosted by Dayani

What about Mastery coefficients for AoE split-amongst-all-targets healing like Breath of the Serpent or 3+ Chi Chi Explosions?

Your post earlier (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13087818929#3) said "1.0 for all other heals" - will it be 1.0 x Mastery for each target that is healed (and per tick, on BotS)? Or is the coefficient reduced for multiple targets?

Similarly, for the Chi Explosion (Serpent Stance, 2-Chi) HoT effect, is the mastery 1.0 x Mastery for each tick of the HoT?

07/16/2014 05:59 AMPosted by Dayani

Halo equation for healing-vs-distance: Same as MoP, or updated?

#429 - July 27, 2014, 8:15 p.m.

07/16/2014 07:33 AMPosted by Theck

If the existing behavior is intended, the Riposte tooltip should probably read "Gives you an amount of parry rating equal to your critical strike rating" (though Riposte seems to be hidden in the spellbook now anyway) And the critical strike tooltip should be updated to reflect the correct parry% amount.

07/16/2014 08:07 AMPosted by Collision

Just wondering if this is still true, as the values in game aren't close at the moment. Also, is there variance in the timing, or am I seeing combat log inaccuracy?

Ex:
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qXBrJ67Davbhy3fm/#type=damage-done&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24damage%7Ccasts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%2423881%7C100130%7C96103%7C85288%7C85384&view=events

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tJ7Z8pDXTqhv13kc/#type=damage-done&source=10&view=events

http://gyazo.com/917176f2d6a6e8f07846f9ac97b373b1

I didn't get a lot of 2nd roll multistrikes, but it appears that the first multistrike is delayed by 0.33~ seconds, and the second is 0.66~, and both have a standard deviation of 10%.

The overall minimum delay I saw on the first multistrike was 0.242 seconds, with a max of 0.414.

07/16/2014 11:34 AMPosted by Magdalena

I was wondering if you could answer some questions about spells with travel time, and whether WoD changes will have any effect on them.

For instance:

I launch a Death Coil at my target. A trinket procs right after I launch the Death Coil, and I now have more Attack Power/Mastery/Crit/Multistrike.
Will the Death Coil dynamically update to account for the new values (i.e. chance to MS/Crit or increased AP/Mastery levels), or will it have "snapshotted" them from the moment it was launched?

07/16/2014 11:34 AMPosted by Magdalena

I know spells like Soul Reaper dynamically update (and, in WoD, DoTs will too), but wondered what the situation with healing spells like Divine Star/Halo or ranged attacks like Death Coil or Frostbolt might be.

In addition, how would these spells work with "special cases" like Eclipse or Demonology Warlock stances that snapshot (i.e. would they also snapshot or dynamically update if the caster went in/out of Eclipse State or Demon Form)?

#430 - July 27, 2014, 10:05 p.m.

07/16/2014 06:20 PMPosted by Sativ

Assassination Mastery States: Poison Damage?
Isn't effecting Envenom currently. Intended?

07/17/2014 09:16 AMPosted by Blupache

1) Is Dire Beast being cleaned up further prior to WoD launch or should we go to great lengths to model what it's doing in this incarnation?

2) What is Dire Beast's intended attack priority?
- Is it time-of-cast/damage based (DoT that ticked at 1:23:45 > DoT that ticked at 1:23:46)
- Or type-of-cast based (e.g. Arcane Shot > Black Arrow DoT > Serpent Sting DoT)
- Or a mix of both (e.g. Cobra Shot at 12:23:47 > DoT that ticked at 1:23:45 > DoT that ticked at 1:23:46)?
- And does distance-to-target factor in at all?

3) What's the interval on Dire Beast's target re-selection? Does pet attack speed affect it?

4) Is it intended that Dire Beast seems to count its own cast as an attack & Stampede doesn't?

5) Is the interval on Stampede's target re-selection the same as Dire Beasts? Does pet attack speed affect it?

6) Stampede's prioritization seems dumber but more understandable than Dire Beast (e.g. Stampede doesn't give a crap about focus targets). Are the two going to end up using the same prio? If so, which?

07/17/2014 04:52 PMPosted by Komma

If combustion is to stay roughly the same in terms of strength, this ignite change will require a slight buff to combustion.

07/17/2014 09:05 PMPosted by Zomgdps

Q. Is Neather Tempest meant to apply its aoe damage to the same target it is attached to, on top of its natural DoT damage? (i.e. should it double dip on the target by design?)

07/17/2014 09:28 PMPosted by Bidwell

Is Void Entropy intended to consume 3 orbs, like Devouring Plague, or is the damage intended to scale up to five orbs? It currently consumes up to five, but the damage scaling appears to stop at three.

07/19/2014 10:15 AMPosted by Manager

Can you go into more detail on how to correctly model Rend / Living Bomb? There seems to be inconsistency with Rend-refresh bursts.

#431 - July 27, 2014, 10:25 p.m.

07/19/2014 10:15 AMPosted by Manager

Is the hidden ICD on gaining Raging Blow charges being used in any way, in WOD?

07/20/2014 01:49 PMPosted by Pawkets

Similar thing for ferocious bite: tooltip says 0.357, but it seems to actually be 0.238. Can you confirm if this is correct? And if you could get this value in the spell data somewhere it would be amazing :D

#433 - July 27, 2014, 10:46 p.m.

07/20/2014 06:25 PMPosted by Chiichan

My theory is that for each target in the area of effect of these spells, the healing done to each target is equal to the base healing on 1-6 targets, multiplied by 6, and then divided by the number of targets within some clump check (I don't have an idea of how it does this.) This is consistent with what I saw before (in case 3 above, some dummies treated me as part of their clump number, and some didn't.)

#435 - July 27, 2014, 11:35 p.m.

07/21/2014 12:36 AMPosted by Gahhda

First off, lets look at RSK vs BoK. Currently, the effective damage modifier of BoK is actually 728% of NWD (560 * 1.3). That means that BoK has a higher DPC than RSK. Results of this are that RSK is only used for the debuff. This contradicts the current windwalker design, so I'm certain this will be fixed.

Secondly, TP vs BoK. The DPC of BoK is 364% (counting 30% dot), the DPC of is 360% of NWD. This is borderline making TP the default spender. I could see if you wanted to make CB:TP procs more valuable, but its incredibly close.

Lastly, Fists of Fury. 610% per tick, over 5 ticks, is 3050%. The DPC of FoF is 1016.66% of NWD. This makes FoF 2.793x the DPC of BoK. This is only slightly higher than live, but with an extremely reduced energy pool compared to live, FoF becomes a staple in the rotation.

07/21/2014 06:46 PMPosted by Kevjr

Currently it looks like critical multistrikes aren't proccing Resurgence, I just want to confirm this is intended.

07/21/2014 06:46 PMPosted by Kevjr

Also, HST Glyph isn't applied on the Rushing Stream secondary tick.

07/21/2014 09:23 PMPosted by Tarraks

The tooltip states "You fire an explosive charge into the enemy target, dealing 15,783 Fire damage initially and every second for 2 sec.". Firing it in PvP though yields a far more disappointing tick of around 2000 damage (more so considering how low Survival damage is in general).

07/22/2014 10:07 AMPosted by Grafarion

How much AP is bonus armor supposed to contribute per point and is that ratio the same for all tank classes?

Additonally is bonus armor from temporary effects(such as potions), buffs(foods), or proc's supposed to contribute to AP as well?

07/22/2014 02:02 PMPosted by Komma

I've been testing Combustion and its subtle interactions. I've noticed that when spread with Inferno Blast, the application behavior includes the new "pandemic" mechanic. This creates a weird situation where on multiple targets, we spam Inferno Blast on cooldown in order to length Combustion's duration on all targets. Some players have reported being able to extend to extreme durations, with unverified accounts of extending the base 24 seconds to over 40 seconds. Here's a log where I extended it to 31 seconds:

07/22/2014 02:02 PMPosted by Komma

Given how this technique requires clever re-targetting immediately after the Prismatic Crystal summon, I do not feel this is an obvious and intended mechanic. This was also rather easily achieved by using 2 macros - a set focus macro immediately before summoning the crystal, and a shift modifier casting inferno blast on my focus (ie. the original target). Similar to the MoP version of using Alter Time to generate pyro chains, I wonder if this new macro/addon based "Prismatic Crystal/Living Bomb/Combustion" combo might be unintended gameplay.

#436 - July 27, 2014, 11:45 p.m.

07/23/2014 10:30 AMPosted by Braddy

With haste now affecting the cooldown of Mind Blast, I am curious as to how temporary haste buffs play into the calculation. As in, when you cast a Mind Blast, is the cooldown of it set in stone based on the amount of haste you have at that instant? Or if something like Mark of the Warsong procs while Mind Blast is on cooldown, would it "update" the cooldown and make it refresh faster?

07/24/2014 07:32 AMPosted by Theck

That's where I stopped, since by this point it's clear to me that either something is still wrong with the base strength subtraction, or that the calculation (or intent) of base parry has been changed. Could you please clarify?

edit: Best guess at this point is that it's subtracting the base strength for a L100 character before the racial modifiers are applied to that value. Orc is +3 STR, Gnome is -5 STR, which means Orcs would have +0.0170% parry and gnomes would be -0.0283% (compared to the 3.00% baseline).

#437 - July 27, 2014, 11:58 p.m.

07/24/2014 07:53 PMPosted by Èverfrost

I am just wondering if I can get clarification on this tweet

https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/492477844035883008

"We're planning one tweak; making only ones directly applied be contagious."

So does this mean, for instance, that if you HB a target, the splash will apply NP but those ones wont spread and only the main strike's application of HB will?

Or does it mean that NP will only spread to one target at a time and its spread wont grow exponentially?

Either way it seems like a pointless change as HB/BB will spread NP for you and you don't have to wait for NP to do it for you.

07/24/2014 08:19 PMPosted by Dayani

As per our discussion on Twitter, C, when you get a moment could you look up whether Echo of the Elements' RPPM rate scales with Haste or not, and what you've settled on as the proc rate for it thus far? :)

07/25/2014 03:27 PMPosted by Gahhda

New build, new windwalker modifiers once again.

Looks like this time the values are:

Blackout kick - 700%
Jab - 120%
RSK - 740%
FoF - 760% per tick / 3800% total
Tiger Palm - 395%
Expel Harm - 510%

Could we get an info dump for the exact values? Assuming that these are still relevant and haven't been phased out in an upcoming build.

07/26/2014 02:35 PMPosted by Binkenstein

Cel, can you confirm that the existing AoE cap mechanics haven't changed (ie: max total hit damage is 20 targets, with crits on top of that) and how multistrike works with this.

I'm assuming that MS will be on top of the 20 target cap, similar with how Crits are.

#438 - July 28, 2014, 12:12 a.m.

07/27/2014 12:40 PMPosted by Tiberriaa

Is Dream of Cenarius (for Resto) still intended to make Wrath cost 0 mana, is Wrath supposed to be mana free baseline for Resto, or is it intended to retain a mana cost? I know this has been mentioned on Twitter several times months back that it was going to be made free, but still costs mana in the current Beta build.

07/27/2014 12:40 PMPosted by Tiberriaa

Is Barkskin really intended to be a 15 second cooldown/12 second duration? Is Wild Mushroom intended to be a 3 second cooldown or a 30 second cooldown?

#439 - July 28, 2014, 12:14 a.m.

07/27/2014 04:27 PMPosted by Lifespark

Will Execution Sentence also be dynamic, including the final burst of damage?

#444 - July 28, 2014, 2:37 a.m.

07/27/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Komma

I am still nervous about the gameplay aspect of needing to change your target back to the boss, after the crystal summon forces you to change target to the crystal. That isn't TC though, so I will raise the concern in another thread if necessary.

#449 - July 28, 2014, 3:03 a.m.

07/27/2014 07:53 PMPosted by Pawkets

07/27/2014 07:36 PMPosted by Celestalon

While active, critical heals and attacks extend the duration by 2sec, up to 3 times.

I imagine "attacks" in this context is any damaging ability, including spells? Does that include periodic effects or only direct damage events?

#451 - July 28, 2014, 3:05 a.m.

07/27/2014 08:03 PMPosted by Komma

That won't work because you don't have an ignite on PC when it spawns.

#458 - July 28, 2014, 3:40 a.m.

07/27/2014 08:05 PMPosted by Dayani

Okay, so your tweet back from April is still in effect, and Elemental's (and Enhancement's?) complaint about overwriting procs is still one that is going to happen more frequently as they gear up and acquire more haste? (Obviously this is true for healers as well, although it'll kick in later since we don't tend to value haste much during initial tiers of an expansion)

#459 - July 28, 2014, 3:42 a.m.

07/27/2014 08:22 PMPosted by Chandy

Cloudburst totem is not absorbing healing from totems or heals from ascendance and ancestral guidance. Is this a bug? If this is intended, is it because of totemic persistence?

#463 - July 28, 2014, 5:58 a.m.

07/27/2014 09:54 PMPosted by Komma

Current model is that Living Bomb explosion damage is scaled by haste, through adding damage proportional to the number of ticks. With the DoT moving to the new model, is this haste scaling removed, or will it scale smoothly, ie. DMG = BASE_DMG * (1 + haste) ?

07/27/2014 09:58 PMPosted by Doubdan

-Recently I found that the low level damage modifier could be as high as 120x (as well as 1/120 for damage), instead of 16.5 as you described before. Any details on this new damage scaling equation?

07/27/2014 09:58 PMPosted by Doubdan

-Where should I bring questions about the item level progression in WoD, especially now that 15 seems to be the new tier difference? Looks like you guys set 750 to be the QA item level(based on the past QA items' level, 73x might be the end game level), which sounds like another squish happening in 8.0.

#473 - July 28, 2014, 6:26 p.m.

07/27/2014 09:04 PMPosted by Bio

Say, howabout some details on Grimoire of Synergy? :D

Proc chance (going both ways), will it affect Fury generation in any manner (like Sup/Serv do), that sort of thing.

#474 - July 28, 2014, 6:30 p.m.

07/28/2014 12:50 AMPosted by Purge

07/27/2014 07:36 PMPosted by Celestalon

Mark of the Thunderlord
Grants 500 Critical Strike for 6sec.
2.5 RPPM +USP
While active, critical heals and attacks extend the duration by 2sec, up to 3 times.

Hypothetically, if the enchant procs and you very quickly get 3 crits (so you have 10-12s remaining on the buff), and then the enchant procs again, does its duration reset to 6s, or does it roll with its current duration and merely reset the "up to 3 extension" thing? Or something else?

#475 - July 28, 2014, 6:49 p.m.

07/28/2014 01:17 AMPosted by Magdalena

DK specific question: How will existing Runeforges stack up against some of these new enchants?

I'm not too worried about DPS ones, since that's just a matter of tuning. However, I'm trying to compare something like Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle- will the Rune enchant now provide Bonus Armour to match Mark of Blackrock in terms of mitigative value?

07/28/2014 01:50 AMPosted by Jessicka

Are Dooms applied by Cataclysm in Metamorphosis intended to each cost Fury individually?

Is the duration of the debuff applied by Demonbolt updated dynamically with Haste, or does it snapshot Haste at the point of cast?

Will Cataclysm be tuned to be on par in terms of DPS with Demonbolt for single target encounters?

Will Demonbolt gain some kind of benefit for multitarget fights, where it's objectively inferior to Cataclysm/Servitude-Infernal?

#476 - July 28, 2014, 6:59 p.m.

07/28/2014 09:52 AMPosted by Doubdan

-The other day I soloed ICC and ULD with my 90 premade toons for fun, and realized that all of my damage jumped by 100-120 times, while the formula you gave before showed 16.5 as the maximum multiplier. That's where I started guessing about a new formula implemented. Testing in Firelands showed a multiplier around 30 and considering that the mob was squished to 25%, it's about the same 100-120 multiplier in total.

07/28/2014 09:52 AMPosted by Doubdan

1) Darkmoon cards seem very week (620 only) compared to heroic high maul gear (655), even weaker than 5h (630 and rarely 645). What's the reason behind that?
2) Why do devs decide to use 15 as the new tier difference, instead of 13 which has been used for such a long time?
3) I could see 620 and 660 pvp gears (while in pvp they're 675 and 690). Are those the final versions of pvp gear progression in 6.0? If so, then that big gap is really causing some issue imo and 660 pvp gear is again "necessary" for pve progression now that the only better stuff than 660 is tier-2 raid gear.

#477 - July 28, 2014, 7 p.m.

07/28/2014 10:27 AMPosted by Delritha

Is the combined Haste 5% buff supposed to work with Energy Regen? I know on live it only works with Auto Attack only but now that they are all combined, wondering if we should keep this buff in mind for theorycrafting for WW Monks.

#481 - July 28, 2014, 11:19 p.m.

07/28/2014 02:27 PMPosted by Ezekiah

I noticed when I fiddled around with holy and refreshing renew that it is not functioning like live. Renew's duration is actually shorter after I refresh it in single target chakra. How does the refresh mechanic work in WoD?

This is with the glyph in.

#486 - July 29, 2014, 3:48 a.m.

07/28/2014 06:07 PMPosted by Dreyen

During the testing of twin ogronn tonight, me (Guardian) and our warrior tank had 85% total damage reduction with only buffs and no bonus armor gear... is that normal? I thought that was the armor cap. Guessing it's a tooltip issue?

#487 - July 29, 2014, 3:50 a.m.

07/28/2014 07:19 PMPosted by Booi

07/27/2014 07:39 PMPosted by Celestalon

OK, I believe I'm all caught up. Please re-link any questions that I've missed! Thanks!

Looks like you missed Theck's question about base parry not being 3% across all races.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13087818929?page=21#420

#492 - July 29, 2014, 11:27 a.m.

07/29/2014 02:53 AMPosted by Ezekiah

07/28/2014 04:19 PMPosted by Celestalon

If you had manually refreshed a Renew to longer than its base duration, Serenity could change its duration to its base duration, which was actually lower. Just fixed that.

Not seeing this as fixed yet. Will it take a new build?

Also a few other small issues. Clarity of Purpose is not proccing a GCD, allowing priests to weave instant casts while spamming. Divine Star appears to be having the same issue as we experienced on the PTR. It is being reduced in healing for targets that are just slightly out of range. Is the AoE capping slightly off, or is this something we'll have to work around on live? I tested this on the dummies in Shattrath that are grouped. Regardless of whether I hit 3 or 10 when they're all grouped, I do 1.9k. On a single target, I hit 3k.

#502 - July 29, 2014, 5:21 p.m.

Sorry if this is a newb question but can you define USP...

#503 - July 29, 2014, 5:53 p.m.

07/29/2014 09:25 AMPosted by Necronom

Is there a formula or "rules of thumb" for determining a targets hitbox size and geometry?

#504 - July 29, 2014, 6:59 p.m.

07/29/2014 09:31 AMPosted by Aribethe

I didn't see an answer to it before so asking again.

Is it intended that Seal of Insight Heals cannot crit and cannot multistrike?

#524 - July 31, 2014, 4:11 p.m.

07/29/2014 02:43 PMPosted by Ariellè

Question on Guardian of Elune:

Does the recharge rate reduction include temporary stat boosts (such as Agility trinket procs)? If so, I assume the recharge rate should update dynamically when such procs occur and fade?

Edit:

Given that other CDR effects (SoB, Bear Form) are snapshotted, I would assume that this is too. But just asking for clarity sake.

07/29/2014 03:22 PMPosted by Ryudaraku

*raises hand*

I just thought of a possible issue with the New way Necrotic Plague spreads, relating to a current issue with how diseases spread.

How is this going to at all work on Large bodied bosses such as Tortos or the Amalgam of Corruption, with the current NP Blood and Unholy would have a chance for proper jumping in situations like this if a minion could get dragged around.

However now Blood and Unholy are possibly back to the situation of "The Fights we should be best at we can be absolutely terrible for based purely on boss Aesthetics"

07/29/2014 04:10 PMPosted by Pawkets

Pandemic mechanics applying to buffs with varying based durations (eg Savage Roar) works in kind of an awkward way, based on testing it seems it uses the base duration of the new buff as the pandemic limit for the duration. So the duration of a new buff could be described like so:
new_duration = base_duration + min( base_duration*0.3, old_duration )

This causes a strange interaction where the time threshold where you are capable of refreshing the buff without wasting any of the rollover varies depending on how many combo points the new buff is cast with. In the case of Savage Roar this means the aforementioned refresh threshold can be calculated via:
refresh_threshold = ( 12 + current_cp * 6 ) * 0.3

Is it possible this could be adjusted to function in a more intuitive manner or is this working as intended?

07/29/2014 05:01 PMPosted by Pawkets

Also, a while back it was stated TF should snapshot and SR would be changed to snapshot, but neither do. Bug, or was there a change of plans?

#525 - July 31, 2014, 4:58 p.m.

07/29/2014 05:30 PMPosted by Caeris

Currently the versatility food and flask do not provide any stat benefit on the character sheet. The flask is providing readiness and Im not sure what the food is doing but it does not increase versatility.

Warlock DoT Perks not working with Drain Soul ticks

07/30/2014 12:38 AMPosted by Desir

Abyssals Immolation is unable to Crit or Multistrike. Intended?

07/30/2014 04:06 AMPosted by Morganlefae

Is it intended for the Draenei Racial Heal to be the only racial that penalizes a spec (shadow) when used? I can not think of any other racials that combine negatively with a specilization.

07/30/2014 04:06 AMPosted by Morganlefae

Second, in regards to your favorite topic of multistrike. You've said that by default everything (unless specified) will proc multistrike. Can we, eventually, get a list of what major passives/talents/glyphs/abilities will trigger FROM multistrikes?

07/30/2014 04:06 AMPosted by Morganlefae

Third, almost a wishlist item but not. The simplification of tooltips is a semi admirable goal. However we have an option for "Basic" tooltips and thus an option for "Advanced" tooltips. Would it be possible, mechanic-wise. to get a "Nuts-n-Bolts" tooltip that shows in-depth info of things like base CD & current CD, base duration/tick interval & current duration/tick interval, base mana cost and % mana cost, x% of SP/AP/WeaponDamage, whether or not it can trigger from multistrikes/crits/random chance, ICD, etc.

#526 - July 31, 2014, 4:59 p.m.

07/30/2014 10:00 AMPosted by Komma

Re: Celestalon's Tweet regarding Combustion and Prismatic crystal https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/494362929735536640

The current beta version of PC does not amplify damage of Combustion, or Ignite, if it is cleaved from a mob onto the Crystal. Therefore, for the duration of PC, it's only 2.0x instead of 2.3. Guessing from your tweet, maybe it is bugged?

As a side note, the Combustion Glyph works poorly if this "sync them up" thing is intended.

Regarding Arcane Orb, what exactly is the targeting and Arcane Charge gaining behaviour? I've been hearing silly accounts from raid testing that the number of Arcane Charges gained depends on how "fat" a boss is deciding to be on a given pull. Please clarify!

#539 - Aug. 1, 2014, 3:54 p.m.

07/27/2014 04:45 PMPosted by Celestalon

07/24/2014 07:32 AMPosted by Theck

That's where I stopped, since by this point it's clear to me that either something is still wrong with the base strength subtraction, or that the calculation (or intent) of base parry has been changed. Could you please clarify?

edit: Best guess at this point is that it's subtracting the base strength for a L100 character before the racial modifiers are applied to that value. Orc is +3 STR, Gnome is -5 STR, which means Orcs would have +0.0170% parry and gnomes would be -0.0283% (compared to the 3.00% baseline).

Yes, it's the base stat before racial modifiers.

#540 - Aug. 1, 2014, 3:58 p.m.

07/30/2014 07:50 PMPosted by Dowadii

On beta, haste is not affecting Healing Stream Totem nor Healing Tide Totem tics. Is that intended?

#636 - Oct. 14, 2014, 2:07 a.m.

• Rogue
  
• Assassin’s Resolve now increases damage by 10% (down from 15%).
• Ambush damage increased by 13%.
• Backstab damage increased by 13%.
• Warrior
  
• Raging Blow damage reduced by 10%.
• Wild Strike damage reduced by 8%.
• Devastate damage increased by 5%.
• Revenge damage increased by 5%.
• Shield Slam damage increased by 5%.
• Death Knight
  
• Obliterate damage increased by 8%.
• Death Coil damage reduced by 5%.
• Scourge Strike damage reduced by 5%.
• Festering Strike damage reduced by 5%.
• Blood Boil damage increased by 20%.
• Death Strike damage increased by 20%.
• Monk
  
• Rising Sun Kick damage increased by 10%.
• Fists of Fury damage increased by 10%.
• Chi Explosion (Brewmaster) damage reduced by 30%.
• Mage
  
• Arcane Blast damage reduced by 5%.
• Arcane Barrage damage reduced by 5%.
• Arcane Missiles damage reduced by 5%.
• Supernova damage reduced by 15%.
• Fireball damage increased by 5%.
• Frostfire Bolt damage increased by 5%.
• Inferno Blast damage increased by 5%.
• Pyroblast damage increased by 5%.
• Frostbolt damage increased by 5%.
• Ice Lance damage increased by 5%.
• Frozen Orb damage increased by 5%.
• Waterbolt damage increased by 5%.
• Water Jet damage increased by 5%.
• Warlock
  
• Agony damage reduced by 10%.
• Unstable Affliction damage reduced by 10%.
• Hunter
  
• Black Arrow damage increased by 12%.
• Explosive Shot damage increased by 12%.
• Serpent Sting damage increased by 12%.
• Shaman
  
• Chain Lightning mana cost reduced by 43%.
• Priest
  
• Mind Blast damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Spike damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Flay damage increased by 10%.
• Paladin
  
• Avenger’s Shield damage increased by 5%.
• Consecration damage increased by 5%.
• Holy Wrath damage increased by 5%.
• Shield of the Righteous damage increased by 5%.
• Druid
  
• Lacerate damage increased by 5%.
• Mangle damage increased by 5%.
• Maul damage increased by 5%.
• Pulverize damage increased by 5%.